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From: Sam Falkner <samf@central.sun.com>
Subject: Re: Being forced to deal with message numbers and frustrated
Date: 24 Jun 1999 11:05:16 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ii7yah9wmur.fsf@central.sun.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <rjzp1qq9aj.fsf@my.dina.kvl.dk>

Since I use caching on mail groups, I'll throw in my usage habits just
for the record.  I'm not saying it's the one true way, or the best
way, or even unique, but it's what I currently like to do.

Two reasons I'm doing this: (1) maybe someone else will get an idea
that they like from it, and (2) I'd hate for the semantics to change
such that I couldn't do what I like.  I don't think (2) is likely, but 
it's my fault if I didn't speak up.

                                * * *

I use topics, and occasionally set parameters on both groups and
topics via `G p'.  I set total-expire to be non-nil at the top of my
mail hierarchy.

Under mail I have a `reference' topic, and in this topic, I set
`total-expire' to nil, and set `expiry-wait' to something like a year.
I set `visible' to non-nil, since these groups never get newly
arriving mail, so they almost never have unread messages.  Normally,
the reference topic is unexpanded, except when I want to go looking
for something.

When reading mail, and I see a message I want to keep, I have two ways
I can do it, depending on how I'll try to find it.

If the mail got auto-split into a special group, I use `*' to throw it
into the cache.  This is just like I do for NNTP news, and these are
the mail groups that I don't distinguish at all from news.  Yes, there
are initially two copies of the same message, but one will eventually
expire and the other won't.

If the message to be kept landed in my `misc' folder, I move it (via
`B m') into one of the groups in my `reference' topic.  For example,
our cafeteria at work announces their holiday schedule for the rest of
the year.  So I throw it into my `work.policy' folder (or whatever).
Since it has a limited lifespan, I can also mark it `E' before I move
it there, and it'll last for a year.

                                * * *

I like this scheme.  My only gripe about caching (I've mentioned
before) is that when I change NNTP servers, I have to deal with my
cached articles manually.  Usually, I move the cache directories aside
and ignore it for a while; then, renumber the files in the cache
directory to be 1-n (compact; unlikely to clash with existing message
numbers), move the directories into place, and rebuild the cache
active and nov files.  Since I don't change NNTP servers very often, I
don't mind too much that this is inconvenient.  But with mail, I have
no complaints at all.

- Sam


  reply	other threads:[~1999-06-24 17:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 152+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1999-06-22  0:36 some mail annoyances Per Bothner
1999-06-22  2:04 ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-06-22  8:20 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-22  8:23 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-22 12:00   ` Harry Putnam
1999-06-22 22:34     ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-23  7:39     ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-23 14:25   ` Wes Hardaker
1999-06-22 12:53 ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-22 17:48   ` some mail annoyances [renumbering] Per Bothner
1999-06-22 18:20     ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-23  7:00       ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman
1999-06-23  7:44         ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-23  7:50           ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-23  8:18           ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman
1999-06-22 18:58     ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-22 19:29       ` Sam Falkner
1999-06-22 19:33         ` Finding a given in an nnml group (was: Re: some mail annoyances [renumbering]) Laura Conrad
1999-06-22 19:48           ` Jack Twilley
1999-06-22 19:48           ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-23  6:54           ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-23 15:36             ` Laura Conrad
1999-06-23 17:46               ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-24  9:10               ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-24 20:39           ` Justin Sheehy
1999-06-22 21:13         ` some mail annoyances [renumbering] Tony Lam
1999-06-23  7:05         ` Steinar Bang
1999-06-23 19:33         ` David Hedbor
1999-06-25 23:25           ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-26  0:27             ` David Hedbor
1999-06-28 15:45               ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-23  6:45     ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-23 18:34       ` Being forced to deal with message numbers and frustrated Tony Lam
1999-06-23 19:56         ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-06-23 22:13           ` Tony Lam
1999-06-24  0:20             ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-06-24  6:44               ` Tony Lam
1999-06-24  9:19                 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-24  9:21                 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-24 14:58               ` Peter von der Ahé - at home
1999-06-24 15:37                 ` Norbert Koch
1999-06-24 17:58                   ` Tony Lam
1999-06-25 19:47                   ` David Hedbor
1999-06-25 20:56                     ` Matt Pharr
1999-06-28  1:53                       ` Tony Lam
1999-06-24 15:48                 ` Lee Willis
1999-06-24 18:01                   ` Tony Lam
1999-06-24  8:42             ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-24 17:05               ` Sam Falkner [this message]
1999-06-24 23:06                 ` Sam Falkner
1999-06-24  9:17             ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-24  9:14         ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-24 19:00           ` Tony Lam
1999-06-24 20:41             ` David S. Goldberg
1999-06-24 21:07             ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-24 21:38               ` Tony Lam
1999-06-25  6:14                 ` Soeren Laursen
1999-07-04  1:30         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-06-22 18:33   ` some mail annoyances [deleting mail] Per Bothner
1999-06-22 18:33     ` Jack Twilley
1999-06-22 18:54       ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-22 19:15     ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-23  7:10       ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman
1999-06-23  7:32         ` Yair Friedman
1999-06-23  7:46         ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-23 12:13         ` Randal L. Schwartz
1999-06-22 19:18     ` Nathan Williams
1999-06-23  7:51       ` Per Bothner
1999-06-23  6:58     ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-23  7:23     ` Yair Friedman
1999-07-04  1:37     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-06-22 19:37   ` some mail annoyances David S. Goldberg
1999-06-23  0:48   ` Dmitry Yaitskov
1999-06-23  7:42     ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-23  7:49       ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-23 14:20       ` Dmitry Yaitskov
1999-06-23 19:15         ` some mail annoyances [article number overflow] Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-23 21:02           ` Colin Rafferty
1999-06-23 21:09             ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-22 12:58 ` some mail annoyances David S. Goldberg
1999-06-22 14:33 ` Steinar Bang
1999-06-22 16:43   ` Vin Shelton
1999-06-23  6:42     ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-23  6:47     ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman
1999-06-23 14:24 ` Wes Hardaker
1999-06-24 21:19 ` Per Bothner
1999-06-25  3:18   ` Christian Nybø
1999-06-25 20:34     ` Ken McGlothlen
1999-06-25 23:51       ` Harry Putnam
1999-06-26  0:07         ` Ken McGlothlen
1999-06-26  0:19           ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-06-26  2:05             ` Harry Putnam
1999-06-26  2:28               ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-06-26  2:46                 ` Harry Putnam
1999-06-27 13:32                   ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-06-27 21:15                     ` Harry Putnam
1999-06-28 23:43                       ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-06-27 22:30                     ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-28  2:49                       ` Harry Putnam
1999-06-28  8:09                         ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-28 15:24                           ` Harry Putnam
1999-06-28 15:50                             ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-26  9:32                 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-27 13:34                   ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-06-28 13:58             ` Kim-Minh Kaplan
1999-06-26 13:16           ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-28 15:37             ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-28 20:43               ` Wes Hardaker
1999-06-28 20:57                 ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-25  5:10   ` Russ Allbery
1999-06-25 13:21   ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-25 13:25     ` Didier Verna
1999-06-25 13:39       ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-25 13:43       ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-25 13:52         ` customizing (was Re: some mail annoyances) Paul Stevenson
1999-07-04  2:19 ` some mail annoyances Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-04  2:44   ` Harry Putnam
1999-07-04  3:19     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-04  6:15       ` Harry Putnam
1999-07-04  6:37         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-04  6:51           ` Harry Putnam
1999-07-04 13:15           ` Hrvoje Niksic
1999-07-04 17:00     ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-07-04 19:01       ` Harry Putnam
1999-07-04 19:31         ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-07-04  6:37   ` Hans de Graaff
1999-07-05  3:11     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-04 16:58   ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-07-05  3:13     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-05  9:28       ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-07-06  3:58         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-05  7:45     ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman
1999-07-06  4:02       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-06  6:47         ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman
1999-07-06 15:54           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-05 16:22     ` Robert Bihlmeyer
1999-07-05 18:32       ` François Pinard
1999-07-07 11:30         ` Robert Bihlmeyer
1999-07-07 14:20           ` François Pinard
1999-07-07 14:22             ` Lee Willis
1999-07-12 11:40             ` Robert Bihlmeyer
1999-07-06  3:59       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-13  5:22     ` Rob Browning
1999-07-13 11:29       ` Kai Großjohann
1999-07-04 18:18   ` lconrad
1999-07-05  3:17     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-07  0:34   ` Peter von der Ahé
1999-07-07  2:46     ` lconrad
1999-07-09 16:59     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-09 18:39       ` Peter von der Ahé
1999-07-09 19:15         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-28  7:36   ` Rob Browning

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