From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/23526 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sam Falkner Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Being forced to deal with message numbers and frustrated Date: 24 Jun 1999 11:05:16 -0600 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <4jywvwuyde2.fsf_-_@homeworld.Eng.Sun.Com> <4jy4sjy1s6k.fsf@homeworld.Eng.Sun.Com> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035161243 2501 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 00:47:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 00:47:23 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from farabi.math.uh.edu (farabi.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.57]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA10140 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 13:11:21 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by farabi.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAB00175; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:07:23 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:07:52 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (root@sclp3.sclp.com [204.252.123.139]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17843 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:07:23 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from lukla.Sun.COM (lukla.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA10019 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 13:06:13 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from centralmail2.Central.Sun.COM ([129.147.62.11]) by lukla.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29764 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:06:12 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: from muzzy.Central.Sun.COM (muzzy.Central.Sun.COM [129.152.74.150]) by centralmail2.Central.Sun.COM (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1/ENSMAIL,v1.6) with ESMTP id MAA16725 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:05:34 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: (from samf@localhost) by muzzy.Central.Sun.COM (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id LAA03431; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:05:16 -0600 (MDT) Original-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Lines: 51 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070088 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.88) XEmacs/20.4 (Emerald) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:23526 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:23526 Since I use caching on mail groups, I'll throw in my usage habits just for the record. I'm not saying it's the one true way, or the best way, or even unique, but it's what I currently like to do. Two reasons I'm doing this: (1) maybe someone else will get an idea that they like from it, and (2) I'd hate for the semantics to change such that I couldn't do what I like. I don't think (2) is likely, but it's my fault if I didn't speak up. * * * I use topics, and occasionally set parameters on both groups and topics via `G p'. I set total-expire to be non-nil at the top of my mail hierarchy. Under mail I have a `reference' topic, and in this topic, I set `total-expire' to nil, and set `expiry-wait' to something like a year. I set `visible' to non-nil, since these groups never get newly arriving mail, so they almost never have unread messages. Normally, the reference topic is unexpanded, except when I want to go looking for something. When reading mail, and I see a message I want to keep, I have two ways I can do it, depending on how I'll try to find it. If the mail got auto-split into a special group, I use `*' to throw it into the cache. This is just like I do for NNTP news, and these are the mail groups that I don't distinguish at all from news. Yes, there are initially two copies of the same message, but one will eventually expire and the other won't. If the message to be kept landed in my `misc' folder, I move it (via `B m') into one of the groups in my `reference' topic. For example, our cafeteria at work announces their holiday schedule for the rest of the year. So I throw it into my `work.policy' folder (or whatever). Since it has a limited lifespan, I can also mark it `E' before I move it there, and it'll last for a year. * * * I like this scheme. My only gripe about caching (I've mentioned before) is that when I change NNTP servers, I have to deal with my cached articles manually. Usually, I move the cache directories aside and ignore it for a while; then, renumber the files in the cache directory to be 1-n (compact; unlikely to clash with existing message numbers), move the directories into place, and rebuild the cache active and nov files. Since I don't change NNTP servers very often, I don't mind too much that this is inconvenient. But with mail, I have no complaints at all. - Sam