From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/50653 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Simon Josefsson Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: charset=macintosh Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 19:25:08 +0100 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1047061551 32376 80.91.224.249 (7 Mar 2003 18:25:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 18:25:51 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Fri Mar 07 19:25:50 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18rMXW-0008Q3-00 for ; Fri, 07 Mar 2003 19:25:50 +0100 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 18rMXO-0005bi-00; Fri, 07 Mar 2003 12:25:42 -0600 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Fri, 07 Mar 2003 12:26:42 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (sclp3.sclp.com [66.230.238.2]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA09653 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 12:26:27 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (qmail 40945 invoked by alias); 7 Mar 2003 18:25:23 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 40940 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2003 18:25:23 -0000 Original-Received: from 178.230.13.217.in-addr.dgcsystems.net (HELO yxa.extundo.com) (217.13.230.178) by 66.230.238.6 with SMTP; 7 Mar 2003 18:25:23 -0000 Original-Received: from latte.josefsson.org (yxa.extundo.com [217.13.230.178]) (authenticated bits=0) by yxa.extundo.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h27IP8dD027030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Mar 2003 19:25:09 +0100 Original-To: Karl Eichwalder Mail-Copies-To: nobody X-Payment: hashcash 1.2 0:030307:keichwa@gmx.net:f7437d98fd518ae1 X-Hashcash: 0:030307:keichwa@gmx.net:f7437d98fd518ae1 X-Payment: hashcash 1.2 0:030307:ding@gnus.org:2fe82e44688bb3de X-Hashcash: 0:030307:ding@gnus.org:2fe82e44688bb3de In-Reply-To: (Karl Eichwalder's message of "Fri, 07 Mar 2003 18:39:36 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.090016 (Oort Gnus v0.16) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:50653 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:50653 Karl Eichwalder writes: > Oort Gnus v0.16 > GNU Emacs 21.3.50.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit, Xaw3d scroll bars) > of 2003-03-05 on tux > 200 gnu.franken.de InterNetNews server INN 2.3.2 ready > > I wrote to attached message using the TeX iput method (C-x RET c TeX RET). > Especially I added these quotes: \ldq \rdq and then \ldots and \euro . > > Sending the message, Gnus choose this encoding: > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=macintosh > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > I would have expected UTF-8 since UTF-8 is more standard than > "macintosh"; I know you can set your preferences somehow -- but I'd > like to see Gnus doing the right thing out of the box. Me too, but I'm not sure if Gnus should override Emacs' coding system ordering, and emacs prefers mac-roman over utf-8. The reason Emacs doesn't list UTF-8 higher than macintosh is, supposedly, that the UTF-8 support is not complete. Once it is complete, the emacs maintainers will probably change the preference ordering. Fortunately it is easy to override the priorities within Gnus: '(mm-coding-system-priorities (quote (iso-latin-1 iso-latin-9 utf-8))) Of course, the die-hard solution is to run emacs in a UTF-8 locale, then UTF-8 is preferred everywhere. I use this without problems, but I do use the above line to downgrade to 8859-1/8859-15 in mail, whenever possible. Hm. The UTF-8 discussion in Emacs 21.2 PROBLEMS is not present in Emacs 21.3 prerelease, so perhaps it has been fixed. I'll ask on emacs-devel whether utf-8 should be preferred over mac-roman.