From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/61061 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Simon Josefsson Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Gnus installation Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 12:46:39 +0200 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1128164050 17816 80.91.229.2 (1 Oct 2005 10:54:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 10:54:10 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+m9593@lists.math.uh.edu Sat Oct 01 12:54:09 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ELezE-0008UW-Py for ding-account@gmane.org; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 12:53:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1ELez6-00059P-00; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 05:52:52 -0500 Original-Received: from nas01.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.39]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1ELetH-00059J-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 05:46:51 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by nas01.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1ELetG-0008PL-8S for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 05:46:51 -0500 Original-Received: from 178.230.13.217.in-addr.dgcsystems.net ([217.13.230.178] helo=yxa.extundo.com) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1ELet9-0006aO-00 for ; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 12:46:43 +0200 Original-Received: from latte.josefsson.org (c494102a.s-bi.bostream.se [217.215.27.65]) (authenticated bits=0) by yxa.extundo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id j91Ake3D028498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Oct 2005 12:46:41 +0200 Original-To: Katsumi Yamaoka OpenPGP: id=B565716F; url=http://josefsson.org/key.txt X-Hashcash: 1:21:051001:yamaoka@jpl.org::VPdNTczacPc1eiM6:Dl1B X-Hashcash: 1:21:051001:ding@gnus.org::LJKAr3b2BOM6JqqV:Tayq In-Reply-To: (Katsumi Yamaoka's message of "Fri, 30 Sep 2005 22:08:31 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110004 (No Gnus v0.4) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_RCVD_HELO autolearn=failed version=3.0.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on yxa-iv X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on yxa.extundo.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) Precedence: bulk Original-Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:61061 Archived-At: Katsumi Yamaoka writes: >>>>>> In Simon Josefsson wrote: > >> Katsumi Yamaoka writes: > >>> When installing Gnus, specifying no options, a lot of Lisp files >>> will be scattered underneath the site-lisp directory. I considered >>> over ten years that it's not a good idea. > >> FWIW, I like this. Emacs do search for files beneath site-lisp by >> default, right? > > Yes, indeed. Especially in the Emacs 18 era, people might not > have preferred to use subdirectories since they had to be added > to load-path manually, though we have now subdirs.el which adds > subdirectories to load-path automatically. The reason I don't > like it is because I have many files underneath the site-lisp > directory. So, I always use `--with-lispdir=site-lisp/gnus'. > There's also another usefulness in this; I only do `rm -fr gnus' > when I need to remove old Gnus files, for example. Furthermore, > the Emacs version of Gnus is installed in the gnus subdirectory. Ok. You have my vote. >>> In addition to this, >>> there's another problem that ``./configure; make install'' will >>> never install .el files. WDYT? > > It won't be a matter, if people always use ``make; make install''. > However, those who fully trust Gnus might do that, and they will > not be able to get meaningful backtrace when they are betrayed. And further, *.el contain online documentation, so they really should be installed IMHO.