* Re: Gnus installation
2005-10-02 23:41 ` Katsumi Yamaoka
@ 2005-10-03 0:31 ` NAKAJI Hiroyuki
2005-10-03 0:44 ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2005-10-03 6:59 ` Adam Sjøgren
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From: NAKAJI Hiroyuki @ 2005-10-03 0:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
No news is good news. Don't mind about small "I agree". I found much more
"agree" than "disagree".
You have my vote, too.
>>>>> In <b4mbr27wkoo.fsf@jpl.org>
>>>>> Katsumi Yamaoka <yamaoka@jpl.org> wrote:
> >>>>> In <ilu3bnlh5v4.fsf@latte.josefsson.org> Simon Josefsson wrote:
> > Ok. You have my vote.
> Thanks. But I was a bit surprised that there weren't much
> responses to this. Do most people install Gnus Lisp files to
> the site-lisp/ directory, not a subdirectory, site-lisp/gnus/
> for instance? Or, do most people always specify the
> --with-lispdir configure option? If there's no response after
> this, I will stop this argument.
Yes, I always specify an annoying option (sometimes forget)
"--with-lispdir=.../site-lisp/gnus". I'm (We are?) waiting for your
commit.
Do it ASAP, please.
--
NAKAJI Hiroyuki
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* Re: Gnus installation
2005-10-03 0:31 ` NAKAJI Hiroyuki
@ 2005-10-03 0:44 ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2005-10-04 9:39 ` Katsumi Yamaoka
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From: Katsumi Yamaoka @ 2005-10-03 0:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
>>>>> In <87mzlrqw57.fsf@roddy.c3922.takamatsu-nct.ac.jp>
>>>>> NAKAJI Hiroyuki wrote:
> No news is good news. Don't mind about small "I agree". I found much more
> "agree" than "disagree".
Indeed. ;-)
> You have my vote, too.
>>>>>> In <b4mbr27wkoo.fsf@jpl.org>
>>>>>> Katsumi Yamaoka <yamaoka@jpl.org> wrote:
>> Thanks. But I was a bit surprised that there weren't much
>> responses to this. Do most people install Gnus Lisp files to
>> the site-lisp/ directory, not a subdirectory, site-lisp/gnus/
>> for instance? Or, do most people always specify the
>> --with-lispdir configure option? If there's no response after
>> this, I will stop this argument.
> Yes, I always specify an annoying option (sometimes forget)
> "--with-lispdir=.../site-lisp/gnus". I'm (We are?) waiting for your
> commit.
> Do it ASAP, please.
Thank you for following up. I'll prepare to do that (including
the measure to cope with Lisp shadows).
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* Re: Gnus installation
2005-10-03 0:44 ` Katsumi Yamaoka
@ 2005-10-04 9:39 ` Katsumi Yamaoka
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From: Katsumi Yamaoka @ 2005-10-04 9:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
Hi,
I've made changes in the trunk. Thanks a lot to all for the
followups.
Now the new installer installs the Lisp files to the
.../site-lisp/gnus/ directory by default, detects the other Gnus
installations which will shadow the latest one, and issues a
warning. You can then remove those shadows manually or remove
them using `make remove-installed-shadows'.
I'll also install those changes to the v5-10 branch after bugs
are all fixed if any.
Regards,
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* Re: Gnus installation
2005-10-02 23:41 ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2005-10-03 0:31 ` NAKAJI Hiroyuki
@ 2005-10-03 6:59 ` Adam Sjøgren
2005-10-03 11:13 ` Reiner Steib
2005-10-03 8:40 ` Simon Josefsson
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From: Adam Sjøgren @ 2005-10-03 6:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 08:41:59 +0900, Katsumi wrote:
>>>>>> In <ilu3bnlh5v4.fsf@latte.josefsson.org> Simon Josefsson wrote:
>> Ok. You have my vote.
> Thanks. But I was a bit surprised that there weren't much
> responses to this. Do most people install Gnus Lisp files to
> the site-lisp/ directory, not a subdirectory, site-lisp/gnus/
> for instance? Or, do most people always specify the
> --with-lispdir configure option? If there's no response after
> this, I will stop this argument.
For what it's worth, I've always followed the README-file in the
distribution, where it says:
,----
| Do not say "make install". I repeat, do *NOT* say "make install". If
| you say "make install" and then complain about things not working,
| I'll be very annoyed. If you say "make install" and things happen to
| work, that's all fine and dandy for you, but it's quite likely that it
| won't.
`----
Which, I guess, I've taken literally.
So I do not have an opinion on this :-)
Best regards,
--
"It's kind of important to have peace on earth." Adam Sjøgren
asjo@koldfront.dk
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* Re: Gnus installation
2005-10-03 6:59 ` Adam Sjøgren
@ 2005-10-03 11:13 ` Reiner Steib
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From: Reiner Steib @ 2005-10-03 11:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
On Mon, Oct 03 2005, Adam Sjøgren wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 08:41:59 +0900, Katsumi wrote:
>> Thanks. But I was a bit surprised that there weren't much
>> responses to this.
No objection signals agreement, I think. ;-)
>> Do most people install Gnus Lisp files to the site-lisp/ directory,
>> not a subdirectory, site-lisp/gnus/ for instance? Or, do most
>> people always specify the --with-lispdir configure option?
I usually run this for the trunk build...
./configure --prefix=/usr/local \
--with-lispdir=/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/No_Gnus
make && make install
(with .nosearch in No_Gnus; i.e. the user has to specify that he wants
bleeding edge explicitely.)
... and this for the v5-10 branch:
./configure --prefix=/usr/local \
--with-lispdir=/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/gnus-5-10
make && make install
`make && make install' always installed the *.el files, so I didn't
quite understand the problem you're referring to. IMO, the default
should be to install the *.el files.
> ,----
> | Do not say "make install". I repeat, do *NOT* say "make install". If
> | you say "make install" and then complain about things not working,
> | I'll be very annoyed. If you say "make install" and things happen to
> | work, that's all fine and dandy for you, but it's quite likely that it
> | won't.
> `----
There are different opinions about this, see the thread around
<news:m33cjx7rbr.fsf@quimbies.gnus.org> (fetched this MID from another
thread; I hope it's correct).
Bye, Reiner.
--
,,,
(o o)
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* Re: Gnus installation
2005-10-02 23:41 ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2005-10-03 0:31 ` NAKAJI Hiroyuki
2005-10-03 6:59 ` Adam Sjøgren
@ 2005-10-03 8:40 ` Simon Josefsson
[not found] ` <b4mbr27wkoo.fsf-NvgVpDro27E@public.gmane.org>
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From: Simon Josefsson @ 2005-10-03 8:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ding
Katsumi Yamaoka <yamaoka@jpl.org> writes:
>>>>>> In <ilu3bnlh5v4.fsf@latte.josefsson.org> Simon Josefsson wrote:
>
>> Ok. You have my vote.
>
> Thanks. But I was a bit surprised that there weren't much
> responses to this. Do most people install Gnus Lisp files to
> the site-lisp/ directory, not a subdirectory, site-lisp/gnus/
> for instance? Or, do most people always specify the
> --with-lispdir configure option? If there's no response after
> this, I will stop this argument.
I think most people who use the CVS version never use 'make install'.
> BTW, I noticed changing the default Lisp directory in which Gnus
> is installed might cause Lisp shadows, and what is worse, Emacs
> prefers site-lisp/ rather than site-lisp/gnus/. So, I will have
> to make the installer remove those shadows (or issue a warning)
> when I change the default lispdir.
Ouch, that is a problem. Maybe a 'make remove-installed-shadows' or
something to remove any installed shadows in site-lisp/?
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* Re: Gnus installation
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@ 2005-10-03 8:40 ` Jochen Küpper
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From: Jochen Küpper @ 2005-10-03 8:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
Katsumi Yamaoka <yamaoka-NvgVpDro27E@public.gmane.org> writes:
> Thanks. But I was a bit surprised that there weren't much responses
> to this. Do most people install Gnus Lisp files to the site-lisp/
> directory, not a subdirectory, site-lisp/gnus/ for instance? Or, do
> most people always specify the --with-lispdir configure option? If
> there's no response after this, I will stop this argument.
Normally I install Gnus in a "private" installation tree underneath
$HOME, so I specify --with-lispdir anyway. (While Emacs is typically
the globally installed one.)
Nevertheless I would also prefer to get a default gnus/ subdir when
installing in site-lisp, though. Maybe it would make sense to also add
/gnus/ to specified lispdirs...
>> And further, *.el contain online documentation, so they really should
>> be installed IMHO.
I would second that as well.
Greetings,
Jochen
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* Re: Gnus installation
2005-10-02 23:41 ` Katsumi Yamaoka
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@ 2005-10-03 16:58 ` Wes Hardaker
2005-10-03 16:59 ` Wes Hardaker
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From: Wes Hardaker @ 2005-10-03 16:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ding
>>>>> On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 08:41:59 +0900, Katsumi Yamaoka <yamaoka@jpl.org> said:
Katsumi> Thanks. But I was a bit surprised that there weren't much
Katsumi> responses to this. Do most people install Gnus Lisp files to
Katsumi> the site-lisp/ directory, not a subdirectory, site-lisp/gnus/
Katsumi> for instance? Or, do most people always specify the
Katsumi> --with-lispdir configure option? If there's no response after
Katsumi> this, I will stop this argument.
Wrong crowd ;-) Most of us are probably CVS users and simply do
"make" and point emacs to the lisp dir in the CVS checkout. Heh.
--
"In the bathtub of history the truth is harder to hold than the soap,
and much more difficult to find." -- Terry Pratchett
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* Re: Gnus installation
2005-10-02 23:41 ` Katsumi Yamaoka
` (4 preceding siblings ...)
2005-10-03 16:58 ` Wes Hardaker
@ 2005-10-03 16:59 ` Wes Hardaker
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From: Wes Hardaker @ 2005-10-03 16:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ding
>>>>> On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 08:41:59 +0900, Katsumi Yamaoka <yamaoka@jpl.org> said:
Katsumi> BTW, I noticed changing the default Lisp directory in which
Katsumi> Gnus is installed might cause Lisp shadows, and what is
Katsumi> worse, Emacs prefers site-lisp/ rather than site-lisp/gnus/.
Katsumi> So, I will have to make the installer remove those shadows
Katsumi> (or issue a warning) when I change the default lispdir.
Option 2: have configure check for site-lisp/gnus.el and don't add the
gnus subdir if the parent gnus.el exists...
--
"In the bathtub of history the truth is harder to hold than the soap,
and much more difficult to find." -- Terry Pratchett
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