From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/46817 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Simon Josefsson Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Why does Gnus generates Lines: header in mail? Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 16:32:36 +0200 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1033310012 13653 127.0.0.1 (29 Sep 2002 14:33:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 14:33:32 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17vf8U-0003Y5-00 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 16:33:30 +0200 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 17vf86-0002eY-00; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 09:33:06 -0500 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Sun, 29 Sep 2002 09:33:47 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (qmailr@sclp3.sclp.com [209.196.61.66]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA23008 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 09:33:35 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: (qmail 29971 invoked by alias); 29 Sep 2002 14:32:50 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 29966 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2002 14:32:49 -0000 Original-Received: from 178.230.13.217.in-addr.dgcsystems.net (HELO yxa.extundo.com) (217.13.230.178) by gnus.org with SMTP; 29 Sep 2002 14:32:49 -0000 Original-Received: from h28n1c1o299.bredband.skanova.com (yxa.extundo.com [217.13.230.178]) (authenticated bits=0) by yxa.extundo.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g8TEWan2019289; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 16:32:36 +0200 Original-To: Karl Kleinpaste Mail-Copies-To: nobody X-Hashcash: 0:020929:karl@charcoal.com:9f9e308818bd5209 X-Hashcash: 0:020929:ding@gnus.org:89ec0f27db323b40 In-Reply-To: (Karl Kleinpaste's message of "Sun, 29 Sep 2002 10:14:25 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.090008 (Oort Gnus v0.08) XEmacs/21.4 (Military Intelligence (RC1), i686-pc-linux) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:46817 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:46817 Karl Kleinpaste writes: > Simon Josefsson writes: >> How about this patch? >> The Lines: header seems to be deprecated even for news in RFC1036bis. > > Why do you want to get rid of it? What purpose does removal of a > feature serve? Well, what purpose does having a Lines: header serve? It is not a standard mail header so its presence should probably be justified. > I find line count to be very useful in *Summary* because it gives me a > sense of how much babbling someone has done, and I also score up or > down on line count in some groups. Does this feature depend on the sender sending a Lines: header? Most MUAs don't send the Lines: header, and I still get this number in the summary buffers. See my original mail which didn't include a Lines: header. > I always felt that the deprecation of Lines was due merely to Henry > Spencer's (and perhaps Geoff Collyer's) personal bias against it, for > which I have no explanation. I'm not saying we should change it for news, only mail. A possible explanation for why it should be removed could be to compare the merits of the Content-Length: mail header, but I don't know enough about news to tell if the same argument applies.