From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/53738 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Simon Josefsson Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Gnus: UTF-8 and compatibility with other MUAs Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 19:23:22 +0200 Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1061054679 7407 80.91.224.253 (16 Aug 2003 17:24:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 17:24:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M2282@lists.math.uh.edu Sat Aug 16 19:24:37 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19o4n7-0006SR-00 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 19:24:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 19o4m3-0004oy-00; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 12:23:31 -0500 Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com ([64.157.176.121]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 19o4lz-0004oo-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 12:23:27 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 63123 invoked by alias); 16 Aug 2003 17:23:27 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 63118 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2003 17:23:27 -0000 Original-Received: from 178.230.13.217.in-addr.dgcsystems.net (HELO yxa.extundo.com) (217.13.230.178) by sclp3.sclp.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2003 17:23:27 -0000 Original-Received: from latte.josefsson.org (yxa.extundo.com [217.13.230.178]) (authenticated bits=0) by yxa.extundo.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7GHNMdk028057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=OK); Sat, 16 Aug 2003 19:23:23 +0200 Original-To: Oliver Scholz Mail-Copies-To: nobody X-Payment: hashcash 1.2 0:030816:alkibiades@gmx.de:23bf6f0025c86846 X-Hashcash: 0:030816:alkibiades@gmx.de:23bf6f0025c86846 X-Payment: hashcash 1.2 0:030816:ding@gnus.org:099f95d2e9db69cf X-Hashcash: 0:030816:ding@gnus.org:099f95d2e9db69cf In-Reply-To: (Oliver Scholz's message of "Sat, 16 Aug 2003 17:36:45 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) Precedence: bulk Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:53738 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:53738 Oliver Scholz writes: > In the future, when UTF-8 will be the default in Mail and News, this > shouldn't be a problem anymore. People who read mailing lists about > classical Greek, will make sure that they have a font containing > =E2=80=9CGreek Extended=E2=80=9D; the regulars of alt.fan.tolkien (whatev= er) will make > sure that they can display Tengwar, Star Trek fans will use fonts > including Klingon etc. etc. Wasn't the Klingon proposal for Unicode rejected? Tengwar has been a proposal for ten years, or so, and nothing has happend, as far as I know. > I really hope for a future (however remote it may be), where I can be > sure that every text file I find on a computer is either ASCII, UTF-8 > or UTF-16. UTF-16? It's not even a well define encoding scheme, two files may contain the exact same Unicode code points, but may differ in a binary comparison, due to byte ordering. And concatenating two UTF-16 strings from different sources requires knowledge about the encoding. And surrogate pairs complicate matters as well. > When we'll look back then, we will regard this whole ISO 8859-soup > as something as strange and weird as EBDIC. I wish I could be that optimistic.