From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/35508 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Simon Josefsson Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Oort Version Date: 28 Mar 2001 05:40:27 +0200 Message-ID: References: <763dc0s6d0.fsf@newjersey.ppllc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035171241 3444 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 03:34:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 03:34:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org Return-Path: Original-Received: (qmail 14586 invoked by alias); 28 Mar 2001 10:40:46 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 14581 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2001 10:40:46 -0000 Original-Received: from dolk.extundo.com (195.42.214.242) by gnus.org with SMTP; 28 Mar 2001 10:40:46 -0000 Original-Received: from barbar.josefsson.org (slipsten.extundo.com [195.42.214.241]) (authenticated) by dolk.extundo.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2SAegj06843; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:40:44 +0200 Original-To: Karl Kleinpaste In-Reply-To: (Karl Kleinpaste's message of "27 Mar 2001 19:13:27 -0500") Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: Gnus/5.090001 (Oort Gnus v0.01) Emacs/21.0.100 Original-Lines: 20 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:35508 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:35508 Karl Kleinpaste writes: > "Robin S. Socha" writes: > > I'd like to see some luser-proof clicky-clicky interface to fancy > > split rules. > > Take off the qualifying end clause and I'd be really interested: Some > very general, very wide-ranging luser-proofing. Part of the emacs/gnus experience is getting used to the awkward and non-intuitive keyboard, mouse, window and widget behaviour. To attract clicky-clicky lusers I think more use of GTK, QT or Windows widgets by emacs applications (Gnus) would be required, at least. (Emacs 21 improves many of these issues, but it's far from fitting into someone's usual desktop environment. Just consider the scroll bar behaviour for instance: Most widget packages keep the moveable scrollbar button to a fixed size depending on buffer size, Emacs resizes the scrollbar button according to some algorithm I've never grasped the intuition of.)