imaps, and .authinfo port name/number?

imaps, and .authinfo port name/number?

[Steinar Bang]

What port name, or number should I use in the .authinfo file, for an
imaps server?

I have the following in gnus-secondary-select-methods:
        (nnimap "somemachine"
		(nnimap-address "somemachine.somecompany.com")
		(nnimap-stream ssl))

I have tried
  machine somemachine.somecompany.com login sb password secret port 993
and I have tried
  machine somemachine.somecompany.com login sb password secret port imaps

In both cases I'm prompted for both login name and password.

Thanx!


- Steinar

Re: imaps, and .authinfo port name/number?

[Simon Josefsson]

Steinar Bang <sb@dod.no> writes:

> What port name, or number should I use in the .authinfo file, for an
> imaps server?
>
> I have the following in gnus-secondary-select-methods:
>         (nnimap "somemachine"
> 		(nnimap-address "somemachine.somecompany.com")
> 		(nnimap-stream ssl))
>
> I have tried
>   machine somemachine.somecompany.com login sb password secret port 993
> and I have tried
>   machine somemachine.somecompany.com login sb password secret port imaps

"port imap"?

Re: imaps, and .authinfo port name/number?

[Steinar Bang]

>>>>> Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com>:

> Steinar Bang <sb@dod.no> writes:
>> What port name, or number should I use in the .authinfo file, for an
>> imaps server?
>> 
>> I have the following in gnus-secondary-select-methods:
>>         (nnimap "somemachine"
>> 		   (nnimap-address "somemachine.somecompany.com")
>> 		   (nnimap-stream ssl))
>> 

>> I have tried
>> 	machine somemachine.somecompany.com login sb password secret port 993
>> and I have tried
>> 	machine somemachine.somecompany.com login sb password secret port imaps

> "port imap"?

Huh?  That's the same as "port 143", innit?  But it did indeed
work... why?

Re: imaps, and .authinfo port name/number?

[Simon Josefsson]

Steinar Bang <sb@dod.no> writes:

>>>>>> Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com>:
>
>> Steinar Bang <sb@dod.no> writes:
>>> What port name, or number should I use in the .authinfo file, for an
>>> imaps server?
>>> 
>>> I have the following in gnus-secondary-select-methods:
>>>         (nnimap "somemachine"
>>> 		   (nnimap-address "somemachine.somecompany.com")
>>> 		   (nnimap-stream ssl))
>>> 
>
>>> I have tried
>>> 	machine somemachine.somecompany.com login sb password secret port 993
>>> and I have tried
>>> 	machine somemachine.somecompany.com login sb password secret port imaps
>
>> "port imap"?
>
> Huh?  That's the same as "port 143", innit?  But it did indeed
> work... why?

The magic translation "SSL means port 993" happen inside imap.el, so
the netrc code in nnimap.el believe it will be using port 143.  I
suppose this isn't ideal, but changing things will likely be backwards
incompatible.  And as IMAPS is supposed to go away, I'd argue that the
Right Thing here is to use STARTTLS instead of IMAPS.

Re: imaps, and .authinfo port name/number?

[Steinar Bang]

>>>>> Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com>:

> The magic translation "SSL means port 993" happen inside imap.el, so
> the netrc code in nnimap.el believe it will be using port 143.  I
> suppose this isn't ideal, but changing things will likely be
> backwards incompatible. 

OK.  A bit confusing though.  Perhaps the manual should mention it? 

Maybe something like the diff attached at the end of this message.?

> And as IMAPS is supposed to go away, I'd argue that the Right Thing
> here is to use STARTTLS instead of IMAPS.

Hey!  I only got around to using IMAPS instead of SSH port forwarding,
on Wednesday.  Now you're telling me it's obsolete? :-)


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--- texi/gnus.texi	14 Aug 2004 20:09:54 -0000
***************
*** 16369,16375 ****
  A file containing credentials used to log in on servers.  The format is
  (almost) the same as the @code{ftp} @file{~/.netrc} file.  See the
  variable @code{nntp-authinfo-file} for exact syntax; also see
! @ref{NNTP}.
  
  @item nnimap-need-unselect-to-notice-new-mail
  @vindex nnimap-need-unselect-to-notice-new-mail
--- 16369,16382 ----
  A file containing credentials used to log in on servers.  The format is
  (almost) the same as the @code{ftp} @file{~/.netrc} file.  See the
  variable @code{nntp-authinfo-file} for exact syntax; also see
! @ref{NNTP}.  An example of an .authinfo line for an IMAP server, is: 
! 
! @example
! machine students.uio.no login larsi password geheimnis port imap
! @end example
! 
! Note that it should be @code{port imap}, or @code{port 143}, even if
! the actual port number used is port 997 for secure imap.
  
  @item nnimap-need-unselect-to-notice-new-mail
  @vindex nnimap-need-unselect-to-notice-new-mail

Re: imaps, and .authinfo port name/number?

[Simon Josefsson]

Steinar Bang <sb@dod.no> writes:

>>>>>> Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com>:
>
>> The magic translation "SSL means port 993" happen inside imap.el, so
>> the netrc code in nnimap.el believe it will be using port 143.  I
>> suppose this isn't ideal, but changing things will likely be
>> backwards incompatible. 
>
> OK.  A bit confusing though.  Perhaps the manual should mention it? 
>
> Maybe something like the diff attached at the end of this message.?

Good idea, I installed a hopefully improved version of the patch.

>> And as IMAPS is supposed to go away, I'd argue that the Right Thing
>> here is to use STARTTLS instead of IMAPS.
>
> Hey!  I only got around to using IMAPS instead of SSH port forwarding,
> on Wednesday.  Now you're telling me it's obsolete? :-)

It's called "progress", but yes. :-)

Thanks.

Re: imaps, and .authinfo port name/number?

[Ted Zlatanov]

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004, jas@extundo.com wrote:

> The magic translation "SSL means port 993" happen inside imap.el, so
> the netrc code in nnimap.el believe it will be using port 143.  I
> suppose this isn't ideal, but changing things will likely be backwards
> incompatible.  And as IMAPS is supposed to go away, I'd argue that the
> Right Thing here is to use STARTTLS instead of IMAPS.

Maybe this patch will make things easier by just taking any 'imaps'
password and using it for 'imap' authentication (if the 'imap'
password is not given)?

Ted

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<                                    port "imap")))
---
>                                    port "imap")
>                     (netrc-machine list server port "imaps")
>                     (netrc-machine list
>                                    (or nnimap-server-address
>                                        nnimap-address)
>                                    port "imaps")))

Re: imaps, and .authinfo port name/number?

[Simon Josefsson]

"Ted Zlatanov" <tzz@lifelogs.com> writes:

> On Fri, 13 Aug 2004, jas@extundo.com wrote:
>
>> The magic translation "SSL means port 993" happen inside imap.el, so
>> the netrc code in nnimap.el believe it will be using port 143.  I
>> suppose this isn't ideal, but changing things will likely be backwards
>> incompatible.  And as IMAPS is supposed to go away, I'd argue that the
>> Right Thing here is to use STARTTLS instead of IMAPS.
>
> Maybe this patch will make things easier by just taking any 'imaps'
> password and using it for 'imap' authentication (if the 'imap'
> password is not given)?

Yup.  Please install.  Could you update the manual too?

> Ted
>
> Index: nnimap.el
> ===================================================================
> RCS file: /usr/local/cvsroot/gnus/lisp/nnimap.el,v
> retrieving revision 7.6
> diff -r7.6 nnimap.el
> 764c764,769
> <                                    port "imap")))
> ---
>>                                    port "imap")
>>                     (netrc-machine list server port "imaps")
>>                     (netrc-machine list
>>                                    (or nnimap-server-address
>>                                        nnimap-address)
>>                                    port "imaps")))

Re: imaps, and .authinfo port name/number?

[Ted Zlatanov]

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, jas@extundo.com wrote:

> "Ted Zlatanov" <tzz@lifelogs.com> writes:
> 
>> On Fri, 13 Aug 2004, jas@extundo.com wrote:
>>
>>> The magic translation "SSL means port 993" happen inside imap.el, so
>>> the netrc code in nnimap.el believe it will be using port 143.  I
>>> suppose this isn't ideal, but changing things will likely be backwards
>>> incompatible.  And as IMAPS is supposed to go away, I'd argue that the
>>> Right Thing here is to use STARTTLS instead of IMAPS.
>>
>> Maybe this patch will make things easier by just taking any 'imaps'
>> password and using it for 'imap' authentication (if the 'imap'
>> password is not given)?
> 
> Yup.  Please install.  Could you update the manual too?

Done.

Ted