From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/53371 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Simon Josefsson Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: broken: #secure method=pgp mode=signencrypt Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 06:16:47 +0200 Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1057810628 11090 80.91.224.249 (10 Jul 2003 04:17:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 04:17:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Matthias Andree , ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M1915@lists.math.uh.edu Thu Jul 10 06:17:05 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19aSrh-0002sh-00 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 06:17:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 19aSrq-000729-00; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 23:17:14 -0500 Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com ([64.157.176.121]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 19aSri-000721-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 23:17:06 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 47564 invoked by alias); 10 Jul 2003 04:17:04 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 47559 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2003 04:17:02 -0000 Original-Received: from 178.230.13.217.in-addr.dgcsystems.net (HELO yxa.extundo.com) (217.13.230.178) by sclp3.sclp.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2003 04:17:02 -0000 Original-Received: from latte.josefsson.org (yxa.extundo.com [217.13.230.178]) (authenticated bits=0) by yxa.extundo.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h6A4Glka013906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Jul 2003 06:16:48 +0200 Original-To: Jan Rychter Mail-Copies-To: nobody X-Payment: hashcash 1.2 0:030710:jan@rychter.com:6d30ee01e751a3eb X-Hashcash: 0:030710:jan@rychter.com:6d30ee01e751a3eb X-Payment: hashcash 1.2 0:030710:ma@dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de:bfb814f1294338d1 X-Hashcash: 0:030710:ma@dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de:bfb814f1294338d1 X-Payment: hashcash 1.2 0:030710:ding@gnus.org:bdfbf6615c130803 X-Hashcash: 0:030710:ding@gnus.org:bdfbf6615c130803 In-Reply-To: (Jan Rychter's message of "Wed, 09 Jul 2003 19:39:13 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) Precedence: bulk Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:53371 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:53371 Jan Rychter writes: >> Yup. See the Message manual on Security. You want: >> >> (setq mml-signencrypt-style-alist '(("smime" combined) >> ("pgp" combined) >> ("pgpmime" combined))) >> >> I think Gnus should default to this, or even better, figure out when >> it doesn't work and revert back to the combined mode. > > I got bitten by the same thing. IMHO it should default to this. Florian explained that the compatibility problem wasn't at the sender, but rather at the receiver, so I changed my opinion and now think that we shouldn't use combined mode by default since it isn't interoperable. We should make the "separate" mode work correctly though. This is somewhat unfortunate though. An alternative would be to state that we cannot talk to PGP 2.x properly. Hm. OTOH, since we are encrypting the message, we know who the receivers are. Can't we look at the receivers OpenPGP keys to see if any of them suggest that a broken applications is used? Florian?