From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/39180 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Simon Josefsson Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Oort Gnus on emacs 20.7 a _lot_ faster than Gnus on XEmacs 21 Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 11:34:08 +0200 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <87bsjkiffm.fsf@bang.priv.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035174928 26523 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 04:35:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 04:35:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org Return-Path: Original-Received: (qmail 23645 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2001 09:36:31 -0000 Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu (mail@129.7.128.13) by mastaler.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2001 09:36:31 -0000 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 15qAKA-0004xw-00; Sun, 07 Oct 2001 04:34:18 -0500 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Sun, 07 Oct 2001 04:33:55 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (qmailr@sclp3.sclp.com [209.196.61.66]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA15708 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2001 04:33:44 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: (qmail 23537 invoked by alias); 7 Oct 2001 09:34:01 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 23532 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2001 09:34:01 -0000 Original-Received: from dolk.extundo.com (195.42.214.242) by gnus.org with SMTP; 7 Oct 2001 09:34:01 -0000 Original-Received: from barbar.josefsson.org (slipsten.extundo.com [195.42.214.241]) (authenticated bits=0) by dolk.extundo.com (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id f979Xt0r009313; Sun, 7 Oct 2001 11:33:55 +0200 Original-To: Steinar Bang In-Reply-To: <87bsjkiffm.fsf@bang.priv.no> (Steinar Bang's message of "Sun, 07 Oct 2001 00:14:53 +0200") Mail-Copies-To: nobody Original-Lines: 36 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090004 (Oort Gnus v0.04) Emacs/21.0.106 Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:39180 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:39180 Steinar Bang writes: > Platform: P133MHz, 20MB RAM, debian woody, GNU emacs 20.7, XEmacs 21.4 > Oort Gnus v0.04 (CVS update from yesterday) > > I recently started running Gnus on a fairly slow piece of computing > machinery: a DEC HiNote Ultra II laptop, with a 133MHz Pentium > processor, and 20MB of RAM. > > I'm running GNU Emacs and XEmacs directly from the consoles, since I > have so far been unsuccessful in creating a working XF86Config-4 file. > > Since I have been using XEmacs for my Gnus'ing, I continued to do so > on this laptop. My problem is that Gnus run too slowly to be usable > in XEmacs on this machine. The least provocation (like eg. 5 > keypresses in a row in the *Summary* buffer) sends XEmacs into garbage > collection, where it stays for a minute, and if I wish to open a > folder with 2000 unread, I might as well let it run overnight. > > GNU emacs, with the exact same Gnus, is fairly fast. It rarely enters > garbage collection, and a folder with 2000 unread articles, opens in > about 10 seconds. > > Is this kind of performance difference between GNU Emacs and XEmacs > common? Or is this just very visible on a machine as slow as the one > I'm using? Is the problem the lack of physical memory? > > Or is there something in the current CVS Gnus, something that > provocates a lot of garbage collection in XEmacs? How much does the machine swap? XEmacs is probably larger than Emacs 20 so the binary might become too large for the machine.. Try M-x elp-instrument-package RET on gnus, nn and mm to find out what is taking so much time to enter the group -- one from Emacs and one from XEmacs would be useful for comparison.