From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/57068 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Simon Josefsson Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Terminology Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 22:16:44 +0200 Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <4nvfkkvodw.fsf@lifelogs.com> <4n7jwhaug6.fsf@b2-25-3.bwh.harvard.edu> <4noeps9ehx.fsf@b2-25-3.bwh.harvard.edu> <87d666l9hx.fsf@uwo.ca> <87y8otogpa.fsf@emptyhost.emptydomain.de> <87ad19faqt.fsf@uwo.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1082319449 11522 80.91.224.253 (18 Apr 2004 20:17:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 20:17:29 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ding-owner+M5608@lists.math.uh.edu Sun Apr 18 22:17:22 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BFIjB-0001cI-00 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 22:17:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1BFIiv-00032l-00; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 15:17:05 -0500 Original-Received: from util2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.23]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1BFIio-00032f-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 15:16:58 -0500 Original-Received: from justine.libertine.org ([66.139.78.221] ident=postfix) by util2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BFIil-0007xK-7N for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 15:16:55 -0500 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.224.249]) by justine.libertine.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B48FA3A004C for ; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 15:16:53 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BFIii-0000O8-00 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 22:16:52 +0200 Original-Received: from h43n3c1o273.bredband.skanova.com ([217.208.170.43]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 22:16:52 +0200 Original-Received: from jas by h43n3c1o273.bredband.skanova.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 22:16:52 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Lines: 47 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: h43n3c1o273.bredband.skanova.com User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:VPauagonZ/YmjEVGaf0/zOux9aE= Precedence: bulk Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:57068 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:57068 Jonas Steverud writes: > Dan Christensen writes: > > [...] >> The last two lines seem to contradict the first line, so maybe there >> is no strict definition of what "unread" means. > > Seems like it is time IMHO for some spring cleaning...? > > It seems like the big problem is the terms "read" and "unread" that is > the problem. > > Suggested new terms/definitions: > Visited: A article that the user has seen before; read, ticked, > dormant, marked as expireable, ... (Other criteria?) I'm not sure we need to introduce more terms... (But we could keep the term "visited" around for when we need a new class of read marks.) > Read: An article that has been marked as killed, ancient, read in the > na=EFve sense; i.e. actually *read*, ... I.e. not ticked etc. There is a Gnus mark called "read". If you tick an active article, it will become read automatically. Same for if you mark an article as expired, etc. > Unvisted or Unread: Replaces Unseen which I find confusing - an > article that is killed and yanked from the > summary buffer is in my view unseen. "Unread" is not a proper Gnus mark. It might help understanding if you think of "unread" as an implicit mark, i.e. one that holds if nothing else holds. So an article can't be marked both expired and unread, as unread isn't a mark. "unread" is just an absence of marks. Of course, the exception to that rule is the "unseen" mark. > Unseen: (?) Articles that are unvisited but not shown in the summary > buffer, usually expunged articles due to scoring. "unseen" is another Gnus mark, it is maintained by Gnus internally and you can't set/clear it. Its purpose is to let you know which messages you have never seen before. This is not the same as "unread", as you can M-u an article to make it "unread" (but not "unseen"). "Unread" articles may be "seen", but "unseen" articles cannot be "read". IIRC, that is.