From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/45464 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Simon Josefsson Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: yEnc support in Gnus? Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 21:34:51 +0200 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <20020627184848.A14291@krusty.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1025552143 6195 127.0.0.1 (1 Jul 2002 19:35:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 19:35:43 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 17P6xa-0001bg-00 for ; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 21:35:42 +0200 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 17P6xC-0002b0-00; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 14:35:18 -0500 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Mon, 01 Jul 2002 14:35:41 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (qmailr@sclp3.sclp.com [209.196.61.66]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA05117 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:35:28 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: (qmail 2996 invoked by alias); 1 Jul 2002 19:34:57 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 2991 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 19:34:57 -0000 Original-Received: from 178.230.13.217.in-addr.dgcsystems.net (HELO yxa.extundo.com) (217.13.230.178) by gnus.org with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 19:34:57 -0000 Original-Received: from latte (yxa.extundo.com [217.13.230.178]) (authenticated bits=0) by yxa.extundo.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g61JYm6w014374; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 21:34:48 +0200 Original-To: Per Abrahamsen Mail-Copies-To: nobody X-Hashcash: 020701:abraham@dina.kvl.dk:9159169968346af3 X-Hashcash: 020701:ding@gnus.org:76306d974500ca8e In-Reply-To: (Per Abrahamsen's message of "Sun, 30 Jun 2002 19:49:00 +0200") Original-Lines: 22 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090007 (Oort Gnus v0.07) Emacs/21.2 (i386-debian-linux-gnu) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:45464 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:45464 Per Abrahamsen writes: >> There's a reason that there are only binary, quoted-printable and base64 >> encoding: these are the reliable ones. > > There is also 8bit. yEnc demonstrates that there is a market for an > binary over 8bit transfer encoding. yEnc is technically a poor > solution for that problem. The two honorable things to do about that > is a) help implement a better 8bit-over-binary solution, and b) shut > up. That's a hint if I ever saw one. :-) So, what would be required to implement a better solution? What does yEnc provide that the existing MIME binary CTE and the Content-MD5 techniques doesn't already? Escaping of CR/LF/NUL? Content-MD5 doesn't work with message/partial though, but I remember seeing a I-D defining Content-Hash, or something similar, for HTTP that fixes that. Perhaps we could ask the people that has anti-yEnc web sites if they want to help define a better scheme (some of the web sites provide suggested MIME aware alternatives, altough not in I-D format).