Re: Prefer UTF-8 over mac-roman? (was: [Karl Eichwalder <keichwa@gmx.net>] charset=macintosh)

[Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com>]

Somehow Gnus made a mess of my post, and put Karl's name in the From:
line.  I have no idea how that happened.  Karl did not post the
previous message, I did.  Sorry for the confusion.

I wrote, but attributed to Karl:

> The attached message was sent to the Gnus list, but the source of the
> problem is Emacs' coding system priorities.  Emacs prefers mac-roman
> over utf-8 when decoding the text given below.
>
> I noticed that PROBLEMS in Emacs 21.3 prerelease no longer says that
> Unicode support is not complete (which it did in 21.2), so I assume
> the Unicode support has been completed, or at least the bugs has been
> fixed.
>
> So, shouldn't UTF-8 be preferred over mac-roman in emacs 21.3?
> Doesn't even Macintosh use UTF-8 now?
>
> Perhaps it is too late for 21.3, and if so, shouldn't we at least make
> this modification to HEAD?  I verified that the same problem still
> applies.  (You can reproduce it easily by simply cut'n'pasting the
> characters below to a new buffer in a emacs -q and try to save it, if
> your mail reader decodes this mail properly.)
>
> (Note that I run emacs in an UTF-8 locale, so this message will be
> encoded as UTF-8, even though it contains the same characters as
> originally reported.)

and I quoted Karl:

> Subject: charset=macintosh
> Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 18:39:36 +0100
>
> Oort Gnus v0.16
> GNU Emacs 21.3.50.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit, Xaw3d scroll bars)
>  of 2003-03-05 on tux
> 200 gnu.franken.de InterNetNews server INN 2.3.2 ready
>
> I wrote to attached message using the TeX iput method (C-x RET c TeX RET).
> Especially I added these quotes: \ldq \rdq and then \ldots and \euro .
>
> Sending the message, Gnus choose this encoding:
>
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=macintosh
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>
> I would have expected UTF-8 since UTF-8 is more standard than
> "macintosh"; I know you can set your preferences somehow -- but I'd
> like to see Gnus doing the right thing out of the box.
>
> Subject: encoding test
> Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 18:28:35 +0100
>
> “quotes”
> and more…
> Grüß Gott.
>
> € 1.
>
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