From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/50658 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Simon Josefsson Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general,gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Prefer UTF-8 over mac-roman? (was: [Karl Eichwalder ] charset=macintosh) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 19:47:25 +0100 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1047062877 5878 80.91.224.249 (7 Mar 2003 18:47:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 18:47:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: keichwa@gmx.net Original-X-From: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Fri Mar 07 19:47:54 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18rMss-0001WW-00 for ; Fri, 07 Mar 2003 19:47:54 +0100 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 18rMsy-00069P-00; Fri, 07 Mar 2003 12:48:00 -0600 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Fri, 07 Mar 2003 12:48:59 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (sclp3.sclp.com [66.230.238.2]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA09773 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 12:48:45 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (qmail 42143 invoked by alias); 7 Mar 2003 18:47:41 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 42137 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2003 18:47:41 -0000 Original-Received: from 178.230.13.217.in-addr.dgcsystems.net (HELO yxa.extundo.com) (217.13.230.178) by 66.230.238.6 with SMTP; 7 Mar 2003 18:47:41 -0000 Original-Received: from latte.josefsson.org (yxa.extundo.com [217.13.230.178]) (authenticated bits=0) by yxa.extundo.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h27IlQdD027410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Mar 2003 19:47:30 +0100 Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org, ding@gnus.org Mail-Copies-To: nobody X-Payment: hashcash 1.2 0:030307:emacs-devel@gnu.org:f6e6a6059c4675a9 X-Hashcash: 0:030307:emacs-devel@gnu.org:f6e6a6059c4675a9 X-Payment: hashcash 1.2 0:030307:ding@gnus.org:946f9c2019d12cf9 X-Hashcash: 0:030307:ding@gnus.org:946f9c2019d12cf9 X-Payment: hashcash 1.2 0:030307:keichwa@gmx.net:4bd09e94465ec02d X-Hashcash: 0:030307:keichwa@gmx.net:4bd09e94465ec02d In-Reply-To: (Karl Eichwalder's message of "Fri, 07 Mar 2003 19:34:26 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.090016 (Oort Gnus v0.16) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:50658 gmane.emacs.devel:12143 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:50658 Somehow Gnus made a mess of my post, and put Karl's name in the From: line. I have no idea how that happened. Karl did not post the previous message, I did. Sorry for the confusion. I wrote, but attributed to Karl: > The attached message was sent to the Gnus list, but the source of the > problem is Emacs' coding system priorities. Emacs prefers mac-roman > over utf-8 when decoding the text given below. > > I noticed that PROBLEMS in Emacs 21.3 prerelease no longer says that > Unicode support is not complete (which it did in 21.2), so I assume > the Unicode support has been completed, or at least the bugs has been > fixed. > > So, shouldn't UTF-8 be preferred over mac-roman in emacs 21.3? > Doesn't even Macintosh use UTF-8 now? > > Perhaps it is too late for 21.3, and if so, shouldn't we at least make > this modification to HEAD? I verified that the same problem still > applies. (You can reproduce it easily by simply cut'n'pasting the > characters below to a new buffer in a emacs -q and try to save it, if > your mail reader decodes this mail properly.) > > (Note that I run emacs in an UTF-8 locale, so this message will be > encoded as UTF-8, even though it contains the same characters as > originally reported.) and I quoted Karl: > Subject: charset=macintosh > Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 18:39:36 +0100 > > Oort Gnus v0.16 > GNU Emacs 21.3.50.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit, Xaw3d scroll bars) > of 2003-03-05 on tux > 200 gnu.franken.de InterNetNews server INN 2.3.2 ready > > I wrote to attached message using the TeX iput method (C-x RET c TeX RET). > Especially I added these quotes: \ldq \rdq and then \ldots and \euro . > > Sending the message, Gnus choose this encoding: > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=macintosh > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > I would have expected UTF-8 since UTF-8 is more standard than > "macintosh"; I know you can set your preferences somehow -- but I'd > like to see Gnus doing the right thing out of the box. > > Subject: encoding test > Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 18:28:35 +0100 > > “quotes” > and more… > Grüß Gott. > > € 1. > > -- > ke@suse.de (work) / keichwa@gmx.net (home): | > http://www.gnu.franken.de/ke/ | ,__o > Free Translation Project: | _-\_<, > http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/contrib/po/HTML/ | (*)/'(*) > > ---------- > > -- > ke@suse.de (work) / keichwa@gmx.net (home): | > http://www.gnu.franken.de/ke/ | ,__o > Free Translation Project: | _-\_<, > http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/contrib/po/HTML/ | (*)/'(*) > ----------