From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/53676 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Simon Josefsson Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Non-ASCII group names is broken (return of the \201's) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 14:57:38 +0200 Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1060520273 21756 80.91.224.253 (10 Aug 2003 12:57:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 12:57:53 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ding-owner+M2220@lists.math.uh.edu Sun Aug 10 14:57:52 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19lplf-0000gC-00 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 14:57:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 19lplZ-00065d-00; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 07:57:45 -0500 Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com ([64.157.176.121]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 19lplV-00065Y-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 07:57:41 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 75403 invoked by alias); 10 Aug 2003 12:57:41 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 75397 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2003 12:57:40 -0000 Original-Received: from 178.230.13.217.in-addr.dgcsystems.net (HELO yxa.extundo.com) (217.13.230.178) by sclp3.sclp.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2003 12:57:40 -0000 Original-Received: from latte.josefsson.org (yxa.extundo.com [217.13.230.178]) (authenticated bits=0) by yxa.extundo.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7ACvcdk006796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=OK) for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 14:57:38 +0200 Original-To: ding@gnus.org Mail-Copies-To: nobody X-Payment: hashcash 1.2 0:030810:ding@gnus.org:5d55b75a4bb751a5 X-Hashcash: 0:030810:ding@gnus.org:5d55b75a4bb751a5 In-Reply-To: (Jesper Harder's message of "Sun, 10 Aug 2003 14:47:05 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) Precedence: bulk Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:53676 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:53676 Jesper Harder writes: > If I create a new nnml group with a non-ASCII name: > > `G m =C3=86blegr=C3=B8d RET nnml RET' > > The group turns up in the Group buffer like this > > =C2=81=C6blegr=C2=81=F8d > > The problem is of course that Gnus thinks the name is unibyte (utf-8 > specifically). > > We could fix it by setting `gnus-group-name-charset-group-alist' to > nil, but then names of nntp groups which really _are_ unibyte would be > wrong. > > I think it's a big mess that the list of newsgroups > (`gnus-newsrc-alist', `gnus-newsrc-hashtb' etc.) can contain a mix of > unibyte and multibyte names. It also breaks `j' > (gnus-group-jump-to-group) in the Group buffer and probably more > stuff. > > I don't see any easy solution, though. This is probably contentious, but when emacsen support Unicode well enough, IMHO we should make all Gnus files be UTF-8. Since, I believe, even emacs HEAD doesn't support Unicode well enough (it can't transcode double-width Cyrillic to Unicode), I don't expect this to happen very soon though.