* PGP/GPG and AOL @ 2001-11-21 22:37 Jack Twilley 2001-11-22 15:56 ` Simon Josefsson 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Jack Twilley @ 2001-11-21 22:37 UTC (permalink / raw) I helped an AOL user install WinPT on her machine, but when she sent me an encrypted message, Gnus and gpg.el didn't DTRT. Turns out that AOL sends multipart messages -- text and HTML -- and there's no known way to force it to send only text. Does anyone out here have an easy way to have Gnus and gpg.el check the contents of a multipart message to see if they're encrypted, and offer to decrypt them? Jack. -- Jack Twilley jmt at twilley dot org http colon slash slash www dot twilley dot org slash tilde jmt slash ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: PGP/GPG and AOL 2001-11-21 22:37 PGP/GPG and AOL Jack Twilley @ 2001-11-22 15:56 ` Simon Josefsson 2001-11-27 20:09 ` Jack Twilley 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Simon Josefsson @ 2001-11-22 15:56 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding Jack Twilley <jmt+usenet@twilley.org> writes: > I helped an AOL user install WinPT on her machine, but when she sent > me an encrypted message, Gnus and gpg.el didn't DTRT. Could you give some more details on what Gnus/gpg.el did and did not do? > Turns out that AOL sends multipart messages -- text and HTML -- and > there's no known way to force it to send only text. Shouldn't be a problem. > Does anyone out here have an easy way to have Gnus and gpg.el check > the contents of a multipart message to see if they're encrypted, and > offer to decrypt them? Gnus should do this by default, controlled by `mm-decrypt-option'. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: PGP/GPG and AOL 2001-11-22 15:56 ` Simon Josefsson @ 2001-11-27 20:09 ` Jack Twilley 2001-11-28 13:08 ` Simon Josefsson 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Jack Twilley @ 2001-11-27 20:09 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> "Simon" == Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> writes: Jack> I helped an AOL user install WinPT on her machine, but when she Jack> sent me an encrypted message, Gnus and gpg.el didn't DTRT. Simon> Could you give some more details on what Gnus/gpg.el did and Simon> did not do? What Gnus and gpg.el did not do was to take the content of either part of the multipart message and offer to decrypt it and display the decrypted contents. Jack> Turns out that AOL sends multipart messages -- text and HTML -- Jack> and there's no known way to force it to send only text. Simon> Shouldn't be a problem. You'd think. I've got an open case with AOL because first and second level helpdesk folks weren't able to tell me how to do that. Jack> Does anyone out here have an easy way to have Gnus and gpg.el Jack> check the contents of a multipart message to see if they're Jack> encrypted, and offer to decrypt them? Simon> Gnus should do this by default, controlled by Simon> `mm-decrypt-option'. Mine's set to nil, which means "ask user" according to the docs. I was not asked. While the "right" solution is to fix AOL, the more probable solution seems to be to fix Gnus or gpg.el -- does anyone know what's wrong or how to fix it? I'll help debug the problem if people can give me generic pointers on just what to do, as I'm unfamiliar with this particular subsystem. Jack. -- Jack Twilley jmt at twilley dot org http colon slash slash www dot twilley dot org slash tilde jmt slash ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: PGP/GPG and AOL 2001-11-27 20:09 ` Jack Twilley @ 2001-11-28 13:08 ` Simon Josefsson 2001-11-28 20:08 ` Jack Twilley 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Simon Josefsson @ 2001-11-28 13:08 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, Jack Twilley wrote: > Jack> I helped an AOL user install WinPT on her machine, but when she > Jack> sent me an encrypted message, Gnus and gpg.el didn't DTRT. > > Simon> Could you give some more details on what Gnus/gpg.el did and > Simon> did not do? > > What Gnus and gpg.el did not do was to take the content of either part > of the multipart message and offer to decrypt it and display the > decrypted contents. What happened instead? What was displayed? Did `K b' help? > Jack> Turns out that AOL sends multipart messages -- text and HTML -- > Jack> and there's no known way to force it to send only text. > > Simon> Shouldn't be a problem. > > You'd think. I've got an open case with AOL because first and second > level helpdesk folks weren't able to tell me how to do that. Oh, I meant it shouldn't be a problem for Gnus. To get AOL to do something is probably more difficult, yes. :-) > > Jack> Does anyone out here have an easy way to have Gnus and gpg.el > Jack> check the contents of a multipart message to see if they're > Jack> encrypted, and offer to decrypt them? > > Simon> Gnus should do this by default, controlled by > Simon> `mm-decrypt-option'. > > Mine's set to nil, which means "ask user" according to the docs. I > was not asked. Then Gnus didn't regard it as encrypted, which could be a bug. The best would be if you could arrange to send a encrypted mail from the AOL account to bugs@gnus.org and I could try to see what is wrong. > While the "right" solution is to fix AOL, the more probable solution > seems to be to fix Gnus or gpg.el -- does anyone know what's wrong or > how to fix it? I'll help debug the problem if people can give me > generic pointers on just what to do, as I'm unfamiliar with this > particular subsystem. The generic hint is to use elp-instrument-package to find out which functions are called when you display the message, and then edebug some of likely functions to find out what is happening. (Functions named *crypt*, *secur* are good candidates, if you can't find any, just edebug everything in mm-*.el.) It takes some time to get to know the code though. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: PGP/GPG and AOL 2001-11-28 13:08 ` Simon Josefsson @ 2001-11-28 20:08 ` Jack Twilley 2001-11-28 20:26 ` MFT on nntp (was: PGP/GPG and AOL) Paul Jarc 2001-11-28 20:54 ` PGP/GPG and AOL Simon Josefsson 0 siblings, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Jack Twilley @ 2001-11-28 20:08 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> "Simon" == Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> writes: Jack> I helped an AOL user install WinPT on her machine, but when she Jack> sent me an encrypted message, Gnus and gpg.el didn't DTRT. Simon> Could you give some more details on what Gnus/gpg.el did and Simon> did not do? Jack> What Gnus and gpg.el did not do was to take the content of Jack> either part of the multipart message and offer to decrypt it and Jack> display the decrypted contents. Simon> What happened instead? What was displayed? Did `K b' help? Nothing happened. What was displayed was the PGP-encrypted message. When I used `K b', it offered me a choice between text/plain (what was displayed) and text/html (which I can't view anyway until I get w3 working). Jack> Turns out that AOL sends multipart messages -- text and HTML -- Jack> and there's no known way to force it to send only text. Simon> Shouldn't be a problem. Jack> You'd think. I've got an open case with AOL because first and Jack> second level helpdesk folks weren't able to tell me how to do Jack> that. Simon> Oh, I meant it shouldn't be a problem for Gnus. To get AOL to Simon> do something is probably more difficult, yes. :-) I suspect the check to see if we need to do fun PGP stuff should be moved to after choosing which part to display and displaying it. But then again, I don't know which place is the right place, as one could conceivably encrypt a multipart message. Both, perhaps? Jack> Does anyone out here have an easy way to have Gnus and gpg.el Jack> check the contents of a multipart message to see if they're Jack> encrypted, and offer to decrypt them? Simon> Gnus should do this by default, controlled by Simon> `mm-decrypt-option'. Jack> Mine's set to nil, which means "ask user" according to the docs. Jack> I was not asked. Simon> Then Gnus didn't regard it as encrypted, which could be a bug. Sounds good to me. Simon> The best would be if you could arrange to send a encrypted mail Simon> from the AOL account to bugs@gnus.org and I could try to see Simon> what is wrong. Would it be acceptable for me to forward the received message? Jack> While the "right" solution is to fix AOL, the more probable Jack> solution seems to be to fix Gnus or gpg.el -- does anyone know Jack> what's wrong or how to fix it? I'll help debug the problem if Jack> people can give me generic pointers on just what to do, as I'm Jack> unfamiliar with this particular subsystem. Simon> The generic hint is to use elp-instrument-package to find out Simon> which functions are called when you display the message, and Simon> then edebug some of likely functions to find out what is Simon> happening. (Functions named *crypt*, *secur* are good Simon> candidates, if you can't find any, just edebug everything in Simon> mm-*.el.) It takes some time to get to know the code though. Okay, I'll poke about a bit. On a completely unrelated topic: I read ding gnus from quimby. What do I need to do to add whatever header is necessary to keep folks from emailing responses to the ding list and to me? I feel at a loss -- I don't know if I need "Mail-Followup-To: never" or what, let alone where to fix gnus to automatically stick it in with each ding message. Jack. -- Jack Twilley jmt at twilley dot org http colon slash slash www dot twilley dot org slash tilde jmt slash ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* MFT on nntp (was: PGP/GPG and AOL) 2001-11-28 20:08 ` Jack Twilley @ 2001-11-28 20:26 ` Paul Jarc 2001-11-28 21:55 ` Matt Christian 2001-11-29 8:28 ` Kai Großjohann 2001-11-28 20:54 ` PGP/GPG and AOL Simon Josefsson 1 sibling, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Paul Jarc @ 2001-11-28 20:26 UTC (permalink / raw) Jack Twilley <jmt+usenet@twilley.org> wrote: > I read ding gnus from quimby. What do I need to do to add whatever > header is necessary to keep folks from emailing responses to the > ding list and to me? I feel at a loss -- I don't know if I need > "Mail-Followup-To: never" or what, let alone where to fix gnus to > automatically stick it in with each ding message. ITYM "Mail-Copies-To: never". You could add that to message-default-headers or your posting style. That would probably be the safest thing. Getting MFT right in this case would be harder; getting it *almost* right would be easy, but, well, not right. Since practically eveybody here uses Gnus, MCT ought to be enough. paul ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: MFT on nntp (was: PGP/GPG and AOL) 2001-11-28 20:26 ` MFT on nntp (was: PGP/GPG and AOL) Paul Jarc @ 2001-11-28 21:55 ` Matt Christian 2001-11-29 8:28 ` Kai Großjohann 1 sibling, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Matt Christian @ 2001-11-28 21:55 UTC (permalink / raw) prj@po.cwru.edu (Paul Jarc) writes: > Jack Twilley <jmt+usenet@twilley.org> wrote: > > I read ding gnus from quimby. What do I need to do to add whatever > > header is necessary to keep folks from emailing responses to the > > ding list and to me? I feel at a loss -- I don't know if I need > > "Mail-Followup-To: never" or what, let alone where to fix gnus to > > automatically stick it in with each ding message. > > ITYM "Mail-Copies-To: never". You could add that to > message-default-headers or your posting style. That would probably be > the safest thing. Getting MFT right in this case would be harder; > getting it *almost* right would be easy, but, well, not right. Since > practically eveybody here uses Gnus, MCT ought to be enough. Minor nit: the MCT RFC (at <http://www.newsreaders.com/misc/mail-copies-to.html>) states the following: ... The keywords "never" and "always" are included for legacy reasons, and because they may be directly entered by the user, but the keywords "nobody" and "poster" are preferred and SHOULD be used instead. ... So you should try to use "Mail-Copies-To: nobody" instead. - Matt -- Matt Christian mattc@visi.com Learn to love and love to learn. http://www.visi.com/~mattc/ 0111 ftp://ftp.visi.com/users/mattc/ 5468652073656372657420697320131b331b2e1b311b341b311b351b39110d0a ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: MFT on nntp (was: PGP/GPG and AOL) 2001-11-28 20:26 ` MFT on nntp (was: PGP/GPG and AOL) Paul Jarc 2001-11-28 21:55 ` Matt Christian @ 2001-11-29 8:28 ` Kai Großjohann 2001-11-29 17:19 ` Paul Jarc 1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Kai Großjohann @ 2001-11-29 8:28 UTC (permalink / raw) prj@po.cwru.edu (Paul Jarc) writes: > ITYM "Mail-Copies-To: never". You could add that to > message-default-headers or your posting style. That would probably be > the safest thing. Getting MFT right in this case would be harder; > getting it *almost* right would be easy, but, well, not right. Since > practically eveybody here uses Gnus, MCT ought to be enough. Gnus does MFT itself, you just need to tell Gnus that sending mail to ding@gnus.org reaches you. See message-subscribed-addresses and similar message-subscribed-* variables. kai -- Simplification good! Oversimplification bad! (Larry Wall) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: MFT on nntp (was: PGP/GPG and AOL) 2001-11-29 8:28 ` Kai Großjohann @ 2001-11-29 17:19 ` Paul Jarc 2001-11-30 8:36 ` Kai Großjohann 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Paul Jarc @ 2001-11-29 17:19 UTC (permalink / raw) Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) wrote: > prj@po.cwru.edu (Paul Jarc) writes: >> Getting MFT right in this case would be harder; getting it *almost* >> right would be easy, but, well, not right. Since practically >> eveybody here uses Gnus, MCT ought to be enough. > > Gnus does MFT itself, you just need to tell Gnus that sending mail to > ding@gnus.org reaches you. See message-subscribed-addresses and > similar message-subscribed-* variables. That won't help. In this case, ding@gnus.org does not appear in the message. Jack Twilley <jmt+usenet@twilley.org> wrote: > I read ding gnus from quimby. paul ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: MFT on nntp (was: PGP/GPG and AOL) 2001-11-29 17:19 ` Paul Jarc @ 2001-11-30 8:36 ` Kai Großjohann 2001-11-30 15:31 ` Josh Huber 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Kai Großjohann @ 2001-11-30 8:36 UTC (permalink / raw) prj@po.cwru.edu (Paul Jarc) writes: > Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) wrote: >> prj@po.cwru.edu (Paul Jarc) writes: >>> Getting MFT right in this case would be harder; getting it *almost* >>> right would be easy, but, well, not right. Since practically >>> eveybody here uses Gnus, MCT ought to be enough. >> >> Gnus does MFT itself, you just need to tell Gnus that sending mail to >> ding@gnus.org reaches you. See message-subscribed-addresses and >> similar message-subscribed-* variables. > > That won't help. In this case, ding@gnus.org does not appear in the > message. > > Jack Twilley <jmt+usenet@twilley.org> wrote: >> I read ding gnus from quimby. Ah. Sorry. Hm. What happens when one sets the to-address or to-list group parameter? kai -- Simplification good! Oversimplification bad! (Larry Wall) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: MFT on nntp (was: PGP/GPG and AOL) 2001-11-30 8:36 ` Kai Großjohann @ 2001-11-30 15:31 ` Josh Huber 2001-11-30 17:15 ` Paul Jarc 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Josh Huber @ 2001-11-30 15:31 UTC (permalink / raw) Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes: > Ah. Sorry. Hm. What happens when one sets the to-address or > to-list group parameter? I assume that will force the use of that address when posting (a). Does it make sense for a news->mail gateway to automatically add a Mail-Followup-To header pointing at the mailing list? I know this header shouldn't be autogenerated, but that's refering to mailing list software. Usually (always?) when someone posts to a newsgroup they expect to not get copes of replies. perhaps a MFT: ding@gnus.org could be added when the Mail-Copies-To: nobody/never header is present? I don't know what the best solution for this is without adding some group parameter for "newsgroup's news->mail gateway address". ttyl, -- Josh Huber ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: MFT on nntp (was: PGP/GPG and AOL) 2001-11-30 15:31 ` Josh Huber @ 2001-11-30 17:15 ` Paul Jarc 0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Paul Jarc @ 2001-11-30 17:15 UTC (permalink / raw) Josh Huber <huber@alum.wpi.edu> wrote: > Does it make sense for a news->mail gateway to automatically add a > Mail-Followup-To header pointing at the mailing list? I'd rather see the news clients add it. I don't think it's possible for gateways to get it completely right. Consider when a non-subscriber is included in a thread's MFT; when another list is included, etc. > I know this header shouldn't be autogenerated, but that's refering > to mailing list software. Right. Mail *clients* are encouraged to generate it. So news clients could do the same, for gatewayed groups. > perhaps a MFT: ding@gnus.org could be added when the Mail-Copies-To: > nobody/never header is present? That would only help for people not using Gnus. For this group, it wouldn't have much effect. > I don't know what the best solution for this is without adding some > group parameter for "newsgroup's news->mail gateway address". That might be the best thing. paul ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: PGP/GPG and AOL 2001-11-28 20:08 ` Jack Twilley 2001-11-28 20:26 ` MFT on nntp (was: PGP/GPG and AOL) Paul Jarc @ 2001-11-28 20:54 ` Simon Josefsson 2001-11-28 21:39 ` Jack Twilley 2001-11-29 8:31 ` Kai Großjohann 1 sibling, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Simon Josefsson @ 2001-11-28 20:54 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding At Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:08:36 -0800, Jack Twilley wrote: > > Simon> What happened instead? What was displayed? Did `K b' help? > > Nothing happened. What was displayed was the PGP-encrypted message. > When I used `K b', it offered me a choice between text/plain (what was > displayed) and text/html (which I can't view anyway until I get w3 > working). Ok. Perhaps the CRLF problem. Do you use Windows? > Simon> The best would be if you could arrange to send a encrypted mail > Simon> from the AOL account to bugs@gnus.org and I could try to see > Simon> what is wrong. > > Would it be acceptable for me to forward the received message? Sure. Make sure the MIME etc isn't corrupted though. Perhaps easiest way is to send it as compressed attachment. > On a completely unrelated topic: I read ding gnus from quimby. What > do I need to do to add whatever header is necessary to keep folks from > emailing responses to the ding list and to me? I feel at a loss -- I > don't know if I need "Mail-Followup-To: never" or what, let alone > where to fix gnus to automatically stick it in with each ding > message. Customize gnus-posting-styles and add a "header" command to insert "Mail-Copies-To: nobody" headers for the ding group. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: PGP/GPG and AOL 2001-11-28 20:54 ` PGP/GPG and AOL Simon Josefsson @ 2001-11-28 21:39 ` Jack Twilley 2001-11-29 8:31 ` Kai Großjohann 1 sibling, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Jack Twilley @ 2001-11-28 21:39 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> "Simon" == Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> writes: Simon> What happened instead? What was displayed? Did `K b' help? Jack> Nothing happened. What was displayed was the PGP-encrypted Jack> message. When I used `K b', it offered me a choice between Jack> text/plain (what was displayed) and text/html (which I can't Jack> view anyway until I get w3 working). Simon> Ok. Perhaps the CRLF problem. Do you use Windows? No. FreeBSD. Simon> The best would be if you could arrange to send a encrypted mail Simon> from the AOL account to bugs@gnus.org and I could try to see Simon> what is wrong. Jack> Would it be acceptable for me to forward the received message? Simon> Sure. Make sure the MIME etc isn't corrupted though. Perhaps Simon> easiest way is to send it as compressed attachment. I sent it as a multipart digest, since that seems to keep the MIME from being corrupted. Jack> On a completely unrelated topic: I read ding gnus from quimby. Jack> What do I need to do to add whatever header is necessary to keep Jack> folks from emailing responses to the ding list and to me? I Jack> feel at a loss -- I don't know if I need "Mail-Followup-To: Jack> never" or what, let alone where to fix gnus to automatically Jack> stick it in with each ding message. Simon> Customize gnus-posting-styles and add a "header" command to Simon> insert "Mail-Copies-To: nobody" headers for the ding group. I think I've gotten this to work. I'll test it out some more. Jack. -- Jack Twilley jmt at twilley dot org http colon slash slash www dot twilley dot org slash tilde jmt slash ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: PGP/GPG and AOL 2001-11-28 20:54 ` PGP/GPG and AOL Simon Josefsson 2001-11-28 21:39 ` Jack Twilley @ 2001-11-29 8:31 ` Kai Großjohann 2001-11-29 10:33 ` Simon Josefsson 1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Kai Großjohann @ 2001-11-29 8:31 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding On a completely unrelated subject: do you like Wanderlust? How does it compare to Gnus? Maybe Gnus could be improved by incorporating features from Wanderlust? (But maybe Wanderlust just has a completely different paradigm.) I've never gotten up the energy of actually trying Wanderlust... kai -- Simplification good! Oversimplification bad! (Larry Wall) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: PGP/GPG and AOL 2001-11-29 8:31 ` Kai Großjohann @ 2001-11-29 10:33 ` Simon Josefsson 0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Simon Josefsson @ 2001-11-29 10:33 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Kai Großjohann wrote: > On a completely unrelated subject: do you like Wanderlust? How does > it compare to Gnus? Maybe Gnus could be improved by incorporating > features from Wanderlust? (But maybe Wanderlust just has a completely > different paradigm.) I've never gotten up the energy of actually > trying Wanderlust... It is not as customizable as Gnus, and lacks several features Gnus has, but it is faster, requires less memory and has a more advanced backend design (better disconnected support with IMAP, no need to fetch big attachments with IMAP etc). The group buffer (or "folder buffer" with WL terminology) is quite limited right now though. I didn't see anything major that Gnus didn't already have, except the more advanced backend system and a higher commit-rate to the CVS server. They do have a FSF-owned PGP/GPG interface though, which we probably could borrow. Oh, and there is a real manual in english. :-) APEL, FLIM, SEMI and Wanderlust is shipped with RedHat 7.2 for Emacs 20.7. (But there is a gazillion branches of the code, so you probably want APEL CVS HEAD, SLIM and WEMI or some other branch instead.) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
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