From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/50686 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Simon Josefsson Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: charset=macintosh Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2003 16:55:49 +0100 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <843clxud7u.fsf@lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de> <86k7f9g8sb.fsf@ieee.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1047138973 4618 80.91.224.249 (8 Mar 2003 15:56:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 15:56:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Sat Mar 08 16:56:12 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18rggG-0001CL-00 for ; Sat, 08 Mar 2003 16:56:12 +0100 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 18rggG-00023h-00; Sat, 08 Mar 2003 09:56:12 -0600 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Sat, 08 Mar 2003 09:57:12 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (sclp3.sclp.com [66.230.238.2]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA12122 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 09:56:58 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (qmail 42193 invoked by alias); 8 Mar 2003 15:55:54 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 42188 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2003 15:55:53 -0000 Original-Received: from 178.230.13.217.in-addr.dgcsystems.net (HELO yxa.extundo.com) (217.13.230.178) by 66.230.238.6 with SMTP; 8 Mar 2003 15:55:53 -0000 Original-Received: from latte.josefsson.org (yxa.extundo.com [217.13.230.178]) (authenticated bits=0) by yxa.extundo.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h28FtnZG012948 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Mar 2003 16:55:50 +0100 Original-To: kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de (Kai =?iso-8859-1?q?Gro=DFjohann?=) Mail-Copies-To: nobody X-Payment: hashcash 1.2 0:030308:kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de:f73c2a5476c40a1f X-Hashcash: 0:030308:kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de:f73c2a5476c40a1f X-Payment: hashcash 1.2 0:030308:ding@gnus.org:762aeac3ffaa297f X-Hashcash: 0:030308:ding@gnus.org:762aeac3ffaa297f In-Reply-To: <86k7f9g8sb.fsf@ieee.org> (Jorge Godoy's message of "Sat, 08 Mar 2003 12:47:16 -0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.090016 (Oort Gnus v0.16) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:50686 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:50686 Jorge Godoy writes: > kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de (Kai Großjohann) writes: > >> Jesper Harder writes: >> >>> Just because you're using UTF-8, mac-roman, EBCDIC or whatever on >>> your local system doesn't mean that it's a good guess that you'll >>> receive mail and news using this charset. >> >> I think this guess is better than no guess at all. >> >> Do you have a better guess? > > Isn't it obligatory to fill in the charset at message headers? > Instead of guessing, Gnus should --- I think it already does --- use > this information to choose the charset. Yes, and Gnus does this. I think the thread is about when this information isn't available, which in some communities can be a large proportion. > If nothing is filled, them use the locale the use is in and add a > notice that the message has an obligatory information missing. Gnus should be more helpful, and already is since it allows certain hierarchies to use other charsets (see `gnus-group-charset-alist'). For articles without MIME tags, in groups not in g-g-c-a, it would be nice if Gnus could guess better -- like trying to UTF-8 decode it, which typically only fails when data wasn't UTF-8 encoded, and then go on and try other encodings. Emacs' decoding functions behave a little strange, but onces fixed Gnus should be able to do this.