From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/45986 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Simon Josefsson Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: new spam functionality added Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 12:23:43 +0200 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <87y9brejam.fsf@mail.paradoxical.net> <873ctztyth.fsf@mail.paradoxical.net> <02Jul31.171132edt.119710@gateway.intersystems.com> <87fzxzsit2.fsf@mail.paradoxical.net> <87ofck96ic.fsf@deneb.enyo.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1028370330 7807 127.0.0.1 (3 Aug 2002 10:25:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 10:25:30 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Stainless Steel Rat , "(ding)" Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 17aw6A-00021o-00 for ; Sat, 03 Aug 2002 12:25:26 +0200 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 17aw51-0005ms-00; Sat, 03 Aug 2002 05:24:15 -0500 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Sat, 03 Aug 2002 05:24:42 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (qmailr@sclp3.sclp.com [209.196.61.66]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA16866 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 05:24:23 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: (qmail 4580 invoked by alias); 3 Aug 2002 10:23:50 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 4575 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2002 10:23:49 -0000 Original-Received: from 178.230.13.217.in-addr.dgcsystems.net (HELO yxa.extundo.com) (217.13.230.178) by gnus.org with SMTP; 3 Aug 2002 10:23:49 -0000 Original-Received: from h133n1c1o299.bredband.skanova.com (yxa.extundo.com [217.13.230.178]) (authenticated bits=0) by yxa.extundo.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g73ANhkd023112; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 12:23:44 +0200 Original-To: Florian Weimer Mail-Copies-To: nobody X-Hashcash: 020803:fw@deneb.enyo.de:1002bede2bd29cb7 X-Hashcash: 020803:ratinox@peorth.gweep.net:91227b3abe124166 X-Hashcash: 020803:ding@gnus.org:86733cffaa11c367 In-Reply-To: <87ofck96ic.fsf@deneb.enyo.de> (Florian Weimer's message of "Sat, 03 Aug 2002 01:37:47 +0200") Original-Lines: 16 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090007 (Oort Gnus v0.07) XEmacs/21.4 (Informed Management (RC2), i686-pc-linux) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:45986 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:45986 Florian Weimer writes: > Stainless Steel Rat writes: > >> The idea is to make every sending MTA spend a bit of CPU time doing >> something in a proveable way before accepting their messages. > > This would be the death of mailing lists, wouldn't it? Pretty much so, I think. That's why I think hashcash needs to be computed at the machine that sends the original mail; X-Hashcash that is. The current implementation isn't very good though, as it stalls Emacs while computing hashcash. Hashcash with ~< 25 bits is just a toy, you need more bits to make it costly for spammers.