From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/46820 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Simon Josefsson Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Why does Gnus generates Lines: header in mail? Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 18:59:11 +0200 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1033318861 30805 127.0.0.1 (29 Sep 2002 17:01:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 17:01:01 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17vhRD-00080Z-00 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 19:01:00 +0200 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 17vhPt-00039I-00; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 11:59:37 -0500 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Sun, 29 Sep 2002 12:00:17 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (qmailr@sclp3.sclp.com [209.196.61.66]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA23208 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 12:00:02 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: (qmail 2546 invoked by alias); 29 Sep 2002 16:59:15 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 2541 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2002 16:59:15 -0000 Original-Received: from 178.230.13.217.in-addr.dgcsystems.net (HELO yxa.extundo.com) (217.13.230.178) by gnus.org with SMTP; 29 Sep 2002 16:59:15 -0000 Original-Received: from h28n1c1o299.bredband.skanova.com (yxa.extundo.com [217.13.230.178]) (authenticated bits=0) by yxa.extundo.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g8TGxCn2020502 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 18:59:12 +0200 Original-To: ding@gnus.org Mail-Copies-To: nobody X-Hashcash: 0:020929:ding@gnus.org:32e0778c48179ce3 In-Reply-To: (Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE's message of "Sun, 29 Sep 2002 17:14:28 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.090008 (Oort Gnus v0.08) XEmacs/21.4 (Military Intelligence (RC1), i686-pc-linux) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:46820 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:46820 Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes: > Simon Josefsson writes: > >> Also, shouldn't Gnus generate the In-Reply-To header in the message >> buffer when you press R or F? The References: header is generated. >> Possibly neither should be generated though (and people that want to >> see it can use `message-generate-headers-first'). Opinions? > > IIUC, the In-Reply-To header contains a pointer to just one message, > whereas the References header contains pointers to many messages. > With the multiple messages, Gnus can fill gaps in the threading. I > like the filling-gaps feature. > > Unless I misunderstood something, I vote for keeping References. I wasn't clear -- I wanted to remove Lines: completely for mail, but the In-Reply-To/References question was only if they were to be displayed in the message buffer by default. Currently, References: is shown in the message buffer when you press F but In-Reply-To: is not, which is rather confusing. Both headers will be present in the sent message. I wanted to make the behaviour the same, either both In-Reply-To and References: are shown when you press F or they are not shown. They should both still be added to outgoing mail, of course. The reason is that I often have a habit of pressing R or F and then removing the References: line and change Subject in order to start a new thread. This won't work well since In-Reply-To: is automatically added when the message is sent though. Either both headers should be shown by default, or none and I will have to use `message-generate-headers-first'. I vote for not showing References: by default. People that care about the header (very few I think) can frob m-g-h-f. What do you think?