From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/43994 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Simon Josefsson Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Loading Message without GNUS Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:58:41 +0100 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1017071946 25382 127.0.0.1 (25 Mar 2002 15:59:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 15:59:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16pWsE-0006bA-00 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:59:06 +0100 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 16pWrZ-00085M-00; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 09:58:25 -0600 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Mon, 25 Mar 2002 09:58:31 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (qmailr@sclp3.sclp.com [209.196.61.66]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA25629 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 09:58:21 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (qmail 9007 invoked by alias); 25 Mar 2002 15:58:09 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 9002 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2002 15:58:09 -0000 Original-Received: from 178.230.13.217.in-addr.dgcsystems.net (HELO yxa.extundo.com) (217.13.230.178) by gnus.org with SMTP; 25 Mar 2002 15:58:09 -0000 Original-Received: from localhost.localdomain (yxa.extundo.com [217.13.230.178]) (authenticated bits=0) by yxa.extundo.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g2PFw1KY012035; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:58:06 +0100 Original-To: Barry Fishman In-Reply-To: (Barry Fishman's message of "Sun, 24 Mar 2002 10:13:09 -0500") Mail-Copies-To: nobody Original-Lines: 21 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090006 (Oort Gnus v0.06) Emacs/21.2 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:43994 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:43994 Barry Fishman writes: > For a while now (in ognus), a fundamental mode *group* buffer is > created by just doing: > > (require 'message) > > I had thought message was designed an independent facility so that you > could: > > (setq mail-user-agent 'message-user-agent) > > and then, for example, use `M-x m' to compose and send simple mail > without loading any unused infrastructure of GNUS. Yup. However I can't seem to reproduce this. Can you M-x elp-instrument-packge RET gnus RET, M-x m and then run M-x elp-results RET to find out which Gnus functions is called? Pick out one function name that looks high level and generic, and M-x debug-on-entry RET on it to get a backtrace and post it.