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Christoph Rohland <cr@sap.com> writes:

> Gnus should definitely give more output on error conditions! If the
> network connection fails, there is no way (known to me) to get the
> actual error (like "connection to <host>:<port> via {tcp|openssl}
> failed with error <errno>, <strerror>". So if something goes wrong the
> user is lost in the dark.

I agree, I often find myself debugging things to find the cause of an
error, when a error message should be sufficient.

>    a) why does the agent store all the server parameters in
>       agent/lib/servers? So any change to server parameters invalidates
>       the agent setup. The server name should be sufficient.

Good idea, I've added it to the todo-list.

>    I tried to use ssl as connection type, but somehow my
>    laptop did not use it despite the fact that I did set the
>    parameter in gnus-secondary-select-methods. 

Ah yes, the curse of changing select method without removing
references to the old server.

Since Gnus store the full server in various places (in every group
info, in agent etc) you need to unsubscribe groups, unregister the
server from the agent and THEN change server method in your .gnus. If
this isn't done, there will be inconsistent server specifications in
various parts of Gnus causing all sorts of strange problems.