From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/27024 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Denys Duchier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: *** empty log message *** is a no-no Date: 17 Nov 1999 17:06:36 +0100 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035164124 22449 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 01:35:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 01:35:24 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from bart.math.uh.edu (bart.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.48]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA17241 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:07:16 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by bart.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAB05460; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:07:13 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:07:30 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (root@sclp3.sclp.com [204.252.123.139]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05538 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:07:13 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from uni-sb.de (uni-sb.de [134.96.252.33]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA17234 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:06:40 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from cs.uni-sb.de (cs.uni-sb.de [134.96.252.31]) by uni-sb.de (8.9.3/1999070600) with ESMTP id RAA12789 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:06:36 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from talo.ps.uni-sb.de (talo.ps.uni-sb.de [134.96.186.116]) by cs.uni-sb.de (8.9.3/1999031900) with ESMTP id RAA04193 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:06:36 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: (from duchier@localhost) by talo.ps.uni-sb.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id RAA02085; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:06:36 +0100 Original-To: ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: Jan Vroonhof's message of "17 Nov 1999 15:39:05 +0100" Original-Lines: 46 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070098 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.98) Emacs/20.4 Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:27024 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:27024 Jan Vroonhof writes: > No they are very useful for concurrent development. useful, but not appropriate. what ultimately matters is the record of committed changes. > However I think you mean concurrent development where everybody > commits often. I am thinking of shared development over the > internet where typically one commits complete bits of work. My experience also comes from `internet' development projects. Our main project involves groups in germany, sweden and belgium. We do commit often (especially when responding to bug reports). Personally, I have several projects in computational linguistics that involve multiple sites and a number of students modifying and extending a code base that I provide and maintain. And then, there are papers and course material to be co-authored, documentation to be collaboratively written, tools to be maintained, databases to be updated, etc... I don't know if my case is atypical; maybe you're right. > > > Is the resolution on the time stamps that important? > > In internet based collaborative effort timescales are of the order of > days anyway, so the resolution of one day is sufficient. well, not in my experience, but I guess your mileage may vary. My main beef with this is that empty log messages just don't help me any. And saying "see ChangeLog file" also does not help (see what?). I want `C-x v l' to give me an informative log history of the file. Second, empty log messages (or "see ChangeLog file") in the cvs newsgroup are totally useless. They defeat the purpose of having such a newsgroup. However, not being a gnus developer myself, my opinion is hardly the one that really matters here. Cheers, -- Dr. Denys Duchier Denys.Duchier@ps.uni-sb.de Forschungsbereich Programmiersysteme (Programming Systems Lab) Universitaet des Saarlandes, Geb. 45 http://www.ps.uni-sb.de/~duchier Postfach 15 11 50 Phone: +49 681 302 5618 66041 Saarbruecken, Germany Fax: +49 681 302 5615