From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/68701 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Sending attachments Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:08:53 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87k52rzyn1.fsf@benthic.rattlesnake.com> <873a9fw6dt.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87y6r7yp1y.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <0922916E-B9DD-41C4-8A3D-8550CDD56B62@mit.edu> <83r5ww1m3k.fsf@gnu.org> <871vovsvi8.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <83ljn324xd.fsf@gnu.org> <87skhbrdz3.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <83hbxr0zc6.fsf@gnu.org> <87hbxqrha4.fsf@catnip.gol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1247339359 3977 80.91.229.12 (11 Jul 2009 19:09:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:09:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, yamaoka@jpl.org, eliz@gnu.org, yandros@MIT.EDU, Miles Bader To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 11 21:09:11 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MPhwb-0006LR-5I for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 21:09:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55269 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MPhwa-0006Mp-Al for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:09:08 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MPhwV-0006Ma-Gy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:09:03 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MPhwQ-0006Ku-4T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:09:02 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=35702 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MPhwP-0006Kr-UQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:08:57 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.pppoe.ca ([206.248.154.182]:18384 helo=ironport2-out.teksavvy.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MPhwM-0006zO-Ro; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:08:55 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEAGeAWEpFxIFI/2dsb2JhbACBUcpShAkFhmM X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.42,384,1243828800"; d="scan'208";a="41400513" Original-Received: from 69-196-129-72.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.196.129.72]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 11 Jul 2009 15:08:53 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id D0EDC7EF7; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:08:53 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Mon, 06 Jul 2009 11:05:22 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.94 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:112347 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:68701 Archived-At: > The real issue that I raised is sending attachments with Mail mode. Actually, not really. I think "the real issue" if sending attachments (and non-ASCII text, including in headers) in "the default mail-composition interface". *Very* few users actually choose mail-mode. > Installing Etach will deal with that. This actually does not involve > a change in sendmail.el, since Etach is modular. A simpler change is to make message-mode the default UI. This thread seems to show that noone knows of any actual difference that users would notice (other than being able to attach files and stuff, of course). So I think the first step should be to change mail-user-agent to default to message-user-agent. The next step will then be to make Rmail use message-mode as well (which may require some changes to message-mode, of course). Stefan