From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/80329 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general,gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: smtp crap Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 10:33:23 -0400 Message-ID: References: <8739f4kzp3.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87ipo0p1bc.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <58C87CB9F44943A7BBE78F2D6B62A850@us.oracle.com> <83botsf06d.fsf@gnu.org> <83k48cxj85.fsf@gnu.org> <87r52inw60.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1318430038 31967 80.91.229.12 (12 Oct 2011 14:33:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 14:33:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: PJ Weisberg , Drew Adams , cyd@stupidchicken.com, ding@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, Eli Zaretskii , miles@gnu.org To: Jason Rumney Original-X-From: ding-owner+M28615@lists.math.uh.edu Wed Oct 12 16:33:51 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RDzsT-0008HR-Ss for ding-account@gmane.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 16:33:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RDzsI-0004MS-JQ; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 09:33:38 -0500 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RDzsH-0004ME-9z for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 09:33:37 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RDzsC-00057x-6Q for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 09:33:36 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.183] helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RDzsA-0004ss-CX; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 16:33:30 +0200 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EALeklU5FxJoX/2dsb2JhbABDqDKBBoFTAQEEAVYjEAs0EhQYDSSIEbpQh1gEoSCERQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,334,1315195200"; d="scan'208";a="141422450" Original-Received: from 69-196-154-23.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.196.154.23]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 12 Oct 2011 10:33:24 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 9C55C58D66; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 10:33:23 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87r52inw60.fsf@gnu.org> (Jason Rumney's message of "Wed, 12 Oct 2011 22:04:23 +0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.90 (gnu/linux) X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:80329 gmane.emacs.devel:145010 Archived-At: >> No, that's not the real problem. There are two problems: >> (1) What should Emacs do when the user asks it to send an email? >> (2) What should Emacs do when the user asks it to report a bug? >> This series of questions is appropriate in scenario 1, but not in >> scenario 2. > In scenario 1, the inclusion of mailclient is a bit pointless - if a > user wants to set Emacs up as a MUA, then they won't want their mail > going through another MUA. So these questions are obviously intended > for scenario 2. Agreed. So we need some way for sendmail-query-once to figure out that it's called from Gnus/MH-E/Rmail/younameit rather than independently and take out the `mailclient-send-it' option in that case. Note that `mailclient-send-it' should be an option if the user simply did M-x mail (i.e. he's not using a MUA but not report-emacs-bug either). Stefan