From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/80278 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: smtp crap Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 23:36:36 -0400 Message-ID: References: <8739f4kzp3.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87ipo0p1bc.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <58C87CB9F44943A7BBE78F2D6B62A850@us.oracle.com> <8762jwfjsj.fsf@catnip.gol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1318304209 11238 80.91.229.12 (11 Oct 2011 03:36:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 03:36:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'Chong Yidong' , Drew Adams , ding@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Miles Bader Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 11 05:36:45 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RDT90-0005fN-Fg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 05:36:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57714 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDT8z-0005DL-9D for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 23:36:41 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:41571) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDT8x-0005C9-Dd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 23:36:40 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDT8w-0005yz-Ho for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 23:36:39 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:12651 helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDT8w-0005yp-FB; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 23:36:38 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAKa4k05FxJoX/2dsb2JhbABDqBqBBoFTAQEEAVYjBQsLNBIUGA0kLodjuWeHTAShHYRF X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.68,521,1312171200"; d="scan'208";a="141070855" Original-Received: from 69-196-154-23.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([69.196.154.23]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 10 Oct 2011 23:36:36 -0400 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 8065A660B6; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 23:36:36 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <8762jwfjsj.fsf@catnip.gol.com> (Miles Bader's message of "Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:34:20 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.90 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 206.248.154.181 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:144854 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:80278 Archived-At: >>> Even if it works flawlessly, this "feature" should _not_ be the default. >> As long as we don't have a better solution, yes it should be >> the default. And for Emacs-24 we won't have a better solution so it >> will be the default. > So, this presumes that "smtp-using-user-prompted-info" is on average > more reliable than "use sendmail," even in the case where sendmail can > be invoked. I'd hope that any user who's not dead-set on using Emacs's smtpmail support will simply say "use mailclient". So the likelihood of wrong smtp setup should be rather low. > Is there data to back up this presumption? No. Especially given that the current prompt doesn't really offer mailclient as an option, so that needs to be fixed first. Stefan