From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/68776 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: rfc2047.el dependencies on mm-util.el Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:21:13 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87eisjjrsc.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87iqhsr8jm.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87my73kwxc.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87eisdol9i.fsf_-_@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1248114106 8227 80.91.229.12 (20 Jul 2009 18:21:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:21:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: tzz@lifelogs.com, ding@gnus.org, Reiner.Steib@gmx.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 20 20:21:39 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MSxUR-00013q-QF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:21:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37647 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MSxUQ-00087B-St for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:21:30 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MSxUK-00086T-7w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:21:24 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MSxUF-00085K-Lr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:21:23 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=57236 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MSxUF-00085H-FJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:21:19 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.pppoe.ca ([206.248.154.182]:51564 helo=ironport2-out.teksavvy.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MSxUB-00054c-22; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:21:15 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtIEAGtSZEpFpZqY/2dsb2JhbACBUM8rhAwFhwI X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,235,1246852800"; d="scan'208";a="41911232" Original-Received: from 69-165-154-152.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.165.154.152]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 20 Jul 2009 14:21:12 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 503F37F66; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:21:13 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:21:23 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.94 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:112842 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:68776 Archived-At: > I'm not familar with those functions, but they don't look particularly > unclear to me. > If you can manage to understand them, can you please add comments explaining > their code clearly? Not really, because I don't know what's unclear about it. >> I am going to move rfc20457.el outside Gnus to make it a regular part >> of Emacs. > It's been part of Emacs since Emacs-21. > I am going to make it a regular part of Emacs I don't know what that means. > -- no longer part of Gnus. Isn't this out of your control? > And I don't think you can prevent the Gnus maintainers from > distributing rfc2047.el along with Gnus. > I have no wish to stop them. I'm concerned with what's in Emacs. How > Gnus is distributed outside of Emacs is not the issue. Then I don't know what you mean by "no longer part of Gnus". > Rather than focus on code-ownership, I'd rather we focus on this latter > part: "clean and understandable". > Part of making them clean and understandable is making the code not > depend on Gnus. What do you mean by "Gnus" in this context? E.g., in my view, mm-util.el is not part of Gnus (C-s gnus in this file shows it does appear, but mostly in comments). > I'm still wondering why someone would want to do that since it seems > pretty far from the goal of improving the user's experience. > The goal is to move rfc2047.el outside of Gnus so that other parts > of Emacs can use it without using Gnus. These words don't mean much to me since AFAICT rfc2047.el is already independent from Gnus. Stefan