From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/80268 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: smtp crap Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 17:43:55 -0400 Message-ID: References: <8739f4kzp3.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87ipo0p1bc.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <58C87CB9F44943A7BBE78F2D6B62A850@us.oracle.com> <83botsf06d.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1318283047 24279 80.91.229.12 (10 Oct 2011 21:44:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 21:44:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, ding@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams , miles@gnu.org To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 10 23:44:01 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RDNdh-0003d2-ED for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 23:44:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42038 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDNdg-0003V1-Uw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 17:44:00 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:52579) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDNde-0003Uw-ME for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 17:43:59 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDNdd-0002JS-PS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 17:43:58 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:29437 helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDNdc-0002JA-I7; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 17:43:56 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAJ1mk05FxJoX/2dsb2JhbABDqCWBBoFTAQEEAVYjBQsLNBIUGA0kLodjuUeHQwShIIRF X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.68,519,1312171200"; d="scan'208";a="140973038" Original-Received: from 69-196-154-23.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([69.196.154.23]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 10 Oct 2011 17:43:55 -0400 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 76B8D660B6; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 17:43:55 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sat, 08 Oct 2011 15:47:55 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.90 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 206.248.154.181 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:144825 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:80268 Archived-At: > I don't think `mailclient-send-it' is a very satisfactory solution for > sending email. Agreed. We need something better. > It pops up a different mailer, and the user has to take > actions there, too, to actually send the mail. Popping up a different mailer is not a problem: it's what mailclient is supposed to do. The problem is that it comes into play much too late: mailclient should not be an MTA function but a MUA function. I.e. not a send-mail-function value but a mail-user-agent value. Of course, the problem is that `compose-mail' assumes the mail-user-agent is "inside Emacs", so we need to introduce a new function that makes fewer assumptions. Stefan