From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/12275 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hrvoje Niksic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Please unbundle the custom and widget libraries from qgnus. Date: 22 Sep 1997 18:28:02 +0200 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035151840 2876 80.91.224.250 (20 Oct 2002 22:10:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 22:10:40 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from xemacs.org (xemacs.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.252.16]) by altair.xemacs.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA04945 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 11:40:42 -0700 Original-Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by xemacs.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA06252 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 13:36:30 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from jagor.srce.hr (hniksic@jagor.srce.hr [161.53.2.130]) by ifi.uio.no with ESMTP (8.6.11/ifi2.4) id for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 18:28:20 +0200 Original-Received: (from hniksic@localhost) by jagor.srce.hr (8.8.7/8.8.6) id SAA00962; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 18:28:02 +0200 (MET DST) Original-To: ding@ifi.uio.no X-Attribution: Hrvoje X-Face: Mie8:rOV<\c/~z{s.X4A{!?vY7{drJ([U]0O=W/xDi&N7XG KV^$k0m3Oe/)'e%3=$PCR&3ITUXH,cK>]bci&Ff%x_>1`T(+M2Gg/fgndU%k*ft [(7._6e0n-V%|%'[c|q:;}td$#INd+;?!-V=c8Pqf}3J In-Reply-To: Stainless Steel Rat's message of "22 Sep 1997 11:25:12 -0400" Original-Lines: 36 X-Mailer: Quassia Gnus v0.8/XEmacs 20.3(beta23) - "Sarajevo" Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:12275 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:12275 Stainless Steel Rat writes: > Primarilly because MULE breaks ISO Latin-1 which works flawlessly in GNU > Emacs 19.34 and barely works at all in GNU Emacs 20.1. Assuming for the > moment that you are not a developer/tester, which would you prefer to use, > a version of GNU Emacs that works, or one that manages to limp along and > occasionally breaks your files? I don't think MULE breaks ISO Latin-1. It makes it harder to use, maybe. Anyway, you mentioned Erik as an example -- but Erik *is* the one who calls out to everyone to switch to 20.1. Even with MULE, it's still better than 19.34. One of the reasons why it's better (according to Erik) is Custom. > Hrvoje> My point is that one should not use MULE as an excuse to stick with > Hrvoje> Emacs 19.34b forever (and refusing to acknowledge Custom, etc.) Is > Hrvoje> that what you intend to do? > > But you see, MULE is exactly that. If Erik's YAGE project fails to pan > out, and the 19.35 release never appears, there will be many who freeze at > 19.34 forever, because that is how long it will be before RMS makes MULE a > compile time option as it is with GNU XEmacs. I don't think MULE is as bad as that, but you're free to make your own choices. I hope that other package developers will not give up Custom because of Stallmans idiotic decisions. P.S. `GNU XEmacs' makes me gag. It's just XEmacs. Or we fight back with `FSF Emacs', which makes Stallman gag. :-) -- Hrvoje Niksic | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- I'm a Lisp variable -- bind me!