* auto-save files, why? @ 1998-01-29 17:37 Stephen Zander [not found] ` <x7g1m7xgft.fsf@peorth.gweep.net> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Stephen Zander @ 1998-01-29 17:37 UTC (permalink / raw) Just idle curiousity but why would I be regualrly getting the 'auto-save file exists, do you want to load it?' message? I've answered no (to my peril) previously, so now religiously say yes. I'm just wondering why it exists at all, instead of being rolled into ~/.newsrc.eld. BTW, yes, I am exiting gnus cleanly. -- Stephen --- "Normality is a statistical illusion." -- me ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
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* Re: auto-save files, why? [not found] ` <x7g1m7xgft.fsf@peorth.gweep.net> @ 1998-01-30 11:51 ` jari.aalto 1998-01-30 14:18 ` Hrvoje Niksic [not found] ` <x7iur2ypjh.fsf@peorth.gweep.net> 0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: jari.aalto @ 1998-01-30 11:51 UTC (permalink / raw) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- ## Subject: Re: auto-save files, why? Reply-to: jari.aalto@ntc.nokia.com 98-01-29 Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> list.ding | >>>>> "SZ" == Stephen Zander <srz@mckesson.com> writes: | | SZ> Just idle curiousity but why would I be regualrly getting the 'auto-save | SZ> file exists, do you want to load it?' message? | | Quite simply, you failed to exit Gnus cleanly, then killed your Emacs | session. What if I do "s" and exit emacs, is that same as doing "q" in Group buffer? jari -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv Comment: Processed by Emacs TinyPgp.el 2.7 iQBVAwUBNNG+wMC67dVHFB01AQEgOwIAmBIUShZBbNc8xqYAaEWqrEHS4pUQ9si/ dmYBHEyuuc+EfwhhcGnFfqyT8pRUg4gOMztYBN5d/vTqJUoMljI0xg== =1Sqf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: auto-save files, why? 1998-01-30 11:51 ` jari.aalto @ 1998-01-30 14:18 ` Hrvoje Niksic 1998-02-01 9:23 ` SL Baur [not found] ` <x7iur2ypjh.fsf@peorth.gweep.net> 1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Hrvoje Niksic @ 1998-01-30 14:18 UTC (permalink / raw) <jari.aalto@poboxes.com> writes: > 98-01-29 Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> list.ding > | >>>>> "SZ" == Stephen Zander <srz@mckesson.com> writes: > | > | SZ> Just idle curiousity but why would I be regualrly getting the 'auto-save > | SZ> file exists, do you want to load it?' message? > | > | Quite simply, you failed to exit Gnus cleanly, then killed your Emacs > | session. > > What if I do "s" and exit emacs, is that same as doing "q" in Group > buffer? Yes. I haven't checked the code, but judging by experience, pressing `s' and exiting Emacs is considered a clean exit from Gnus. -- Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- Idle RAM is the Devil's playground. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: auto-save files, why? 1998-01-30 14:18 ` Hrvoje Niksic @ 1998-02-01 9:23 ` SL Baur 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: SL Baur @ 1998-02-01 9:23 UTC (permalink / raw) Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes: > Yes. I haven't checked the code, but judging by experience, pressing > `s' and exiting Emacs is considered a clean exit from Gnus. It fails to run the `gnus-after-exiting-gnus-hook'. That makes a difference for me because I run stuff on both that hook and the `gnus-startup-hook'. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
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* Re: auto-save files, why? [not found] ` <x7iur2ypjh.fsf@peorth.gweep.net> @ 1998-01-30 15:04 ` Hrvoje Niksic [not found] ` <x7en1qx86g.fsf@peorth.gweep.net> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Hrvoje Niksic @ 1998-01-30 15:04 UTC (permalink / raw) Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> writes: > >>>>> "j" == <jari.aalto@poboxes.com> writes: > > j> | Quite simply, you failed to exit Gnus cleanly, then killed your Emacs > j> | session. > > j> What if I do "s" and exit emacs, is that same as doing "q" in Group > j> buffer? > > In short, no. The dribble buffer is still open. Does that matter? I mean, if you don't do any Gnusae operation between pressing `s' and `C-x C-c', no new stuff will get written to the dribble buffer. -- Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- "A Real Programmer's code can awe with its fiendish brilliance, even as its crockishness appalls." -- the Jargon File ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
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* Re: auto-save files, why? [not found] ` <x7en1qx86g.fsf@peorth.gweep.net> @ 1998-01-30 17:24 ` Hrvoje Niksic [not found] ` <x7k9bhx2ww.fsf@peorth.gweep.net> 1998-01-30 17:38 ` Stephen Zander 1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Hrvoje Niksic @ 1998-01-30 17:24 UTC (permalink / raw) Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> writes: > >>>>> "Hrvoje" == Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes: > > Hrvoje> Does that matter? I mean, if you don't do any Gnusae operation > Hrvoje> between pressing `s' and `C-x C-c', no new stuff will get written > Hrvoje> to the dribble buffer. > > Sorry, I meant the newsrc buffer. > > You see, even if that buffer is saved, as long as Gnus is alive that buffer > is still "open" as far as Emacs is concerned. If you quit Emacs at that > point it will update the buffer's associated autosave file and exit. Next > time you start Gnus, Emacs will see the autosave file. Are you sure? Once you save the buffer, the autosave should be removed. If the buffer remains unchanged up to the point when you press `C-x C-c', everything should work fine. In fact, I've exited Gnus using `s' followed by `C-x C-c' many times (for various reasons), and I've never seen the auto-save file being generated as a result. But then again, I am not 100% sure what strategy Gnus uses for autosaving `.newsrc', so I may be missing something. -- Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- "Silence!" cries Freydag. "I did not call thee in for a consultation!" "They are my innards! I will not have them misread by a poseur!" ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
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* Re: auto-save files, why? [not found] ` <x7k9bhx2ww.fsf@peorth.gweep.net> @ 1998-01-30 19:24 ` Karl Kleinpaste 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Karl Kleinpaste @ 1998-01-30 19:24 UTC (permalink / raw) Hrvoje writes: >> Are you sure? Once you save the buffer, the autosave should be removed. Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> writes: > But when you exit Emacs, it sees the open buffer. The idea of an "open buffer" is a semantic null. A file is opened, read, and closed. What matters thereafter is whether the buffer containing that file's contents changes. Once modified, and then once the file is saved (so changes have been sync'd to disc), auto-saving is off, unless the contents of the file are then modified again. If no further changes are made, exit from Emacs without specifically exiting Gnus means no autosave file is created as Emacs departs this life. Existence proof: In another XEmacs on another system, running Gnus, I backed out to *Group*, hit `s' to save current contents, and the `C-x C-c' to exit XEmacs. No autosave was created. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: auto-save files, why? [not found] ` <x7en1qx86g.fsf@peorth.gweep.net> 1998-01-30 17:24 ` Hrvoje Niksic @ 1998-01-30 17:38 ` Stephen Zander 1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Stephen Zander @ 1998-01-30 17:38 UTC (permalink / raw) Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> writes: > You see, even if that buffer is saved, as long as Gnus is alive that buffer > is still "open" as far as Emacs is concerned. If you quit Emacs at that > point it will update the buffer's associated autosave file and exit. Next > time you start Gnus, Emacs will see the autosave file. And this explains my original problem; I was dropping back to the *Group* buffer but not quiting from there.... thanks for the info! -- Stephen --- "Normality is a statistical illusion." -- me ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
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