From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/10859 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hrvoje Niksic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: gnus date suggestion Date: 03 May 1997 17:13:07 +0200 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035150660 26814 80.91.224.250 (20 Oct 2002 21:51:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 21:51:00 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by deanna.miranova.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA15060 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 08:27:02 -0700 Original-Received: from claymore.vcinet.com (claymore.vcinet.com [208.205.12.23]) by ifi.uio.no with SMTP (8.6.11/ifi2.4) id for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 17:13:15 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 23614 invoked by uid 504); 3 May 1997 15:11:00 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 23611 invoked from network); 3 May 1997 15:10:59 -0000 Original-Received: from jagor.srce.hr (hniksic@161.53.2.130) by claymore.vcinet.com with SMTP; 3 May 1997 15:10:58 -0000 Original-Received: (from hniksic@localhost) by jagor.srce.hr (8.8.5/8.8.4) id RAA13351; Sat, 3 May 1997 17:13:08 +0200 (MET DST) Original-To: ding@gnus.org X-Save-Project-Gutenberg: X-Attribution: Hrv X-Face: Mie8:rOV<\c/~z{s.X4A{!?vY7{drJ([U]0O=W/xDi&N7XG KV^$k0m3Oe/)'e%3=$PCR&3ITUXH,cK>]bci&Ff%x_>1`T(+M2Gg/fgndU%k*ft [(7._6e0n-V%|%'[c|q:;}td$#INd+;?!-V=c8Pqf}3J In-Reply-To: pinard@iro.umontreal.ca's message of 03 May 1997 10:53:27 -0400 Original-Lines: 61 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.50/XEmacs 19.15 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:10859 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:10859 pinard@iro.umontreal.ca (François Pinard) writes: > The usual wrong thing with dates is using local American habits in > wide distribution contexts (like mail and news) for when programs > have *not* been internationalised, or by default. ISO 8601 would be > a good default. Gnus is news software. For a newsreader, I think it's best to heed RFC1036. 2.1.2. Date The "Date" line (formerly "Posted") is the date that the message was originally posted to the network. Its format must be acceptable both in RFC-822 and to the getdate(3) routine that is provided with the Usenet software. This date remains unchanged as the message is propagated throughout the network. One format that is acceptable to both is: Wdy, DD Mon YY HH:MM:SS TIMEZONE [...] I don't think ISO 8601 is allowed by RFC822, but I may be wrong. SoR1036 is even stricter when defining the `Date': 5.1. Date The Date header contains the date and time when the article was submitted for transmission: Date-content = [ weekday "," space ] date space time weekday = "Mon" / "Tue" / "Wed" / "Thu" / "Fri" / "Sat" / "Sun" date = day space month space year day = 1*2digit month = "Jan" / "Feb" / "Mar" / "Apr" / "May" / "Jun" / "Jul" / "Aug" / "Sep" / "Oct" / "Nov" / "Dec" year = 4digit / 2digit time = hh ":" mm [ ":" ss ] space timezone timezone = "UT" / "GMT" / ( "+" / "-" ) hh mm [ space "(" zone-name ")" ] hh = 2digit mm = 2digit ss = 2digit zone-name = 1*( / space ) This is a restricted subset of the MAIL date format. As you can see, Gnus already emits the correct date, but having the weekday would be desirable both for humans and rfc recommendation. I think following ISO 8601 would be the wrong thing in this case. Yes, internationalization is a fine thing. But here we are talking about Usenet software. If the software we help create doesn't conform to the RFCs, how can we expect the others to conform? -- Hrvoje Niksic | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- ED WILL NOT CORRUPT YOUR PRECIOUS BODILY FLUIDS!!