From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/10869 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hrvoje Niksic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: timezone.el patterns in emacs 19.34 Date: 04 May 1997 21:55:23 +0200 Message-ID: References: <199705020844.EAA06520@kr-laptop.cygnus.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035150670 26903 80.91.224.250 (20 Oct 2002 21:51:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 21:51:10 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by deanna.miranova.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA16537 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 13:04:00 -0700 Original-Received: from jagor.srce.hr (hniksic@jagor.srce.hr [161.53.2.130]) by ifi.uio.no with ESMTP (8.6.11/ifi2.4) id for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 21:55:33 +0200 Original-Received: (from hniksic@localhost) by jagor.srce.hr (8.8.5/8.8.4) id VAA03086; Sun, 4 May 1997 21:55:24 +0200 (MET DST) Original-To: ding@ifi.uio.no X-Save-Project-Gutenberg: X-Attribution: Hrv X-Face: Mie8:rOV<\c/~z{s.X4A{!?vY7{drJ([U]0O=W/xDi&N7XG KV^$k0m3Oe/)'e%3=$PCR&3ITUXH,cK>]bci&Ff%x_>1`T(+M2Gg/fgndU%k*ft [(7._6e0n-V%|%'[c|q:;}td$#INd+;?!-V=c8Pqf}3J In-Reply-To: Ken Raeburn's message of 03 May 1997 23:03:59 -0400 Original-Lines: 63 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.50/XEmacs 19.15 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:10869 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:10869 Ken Raeburn writes: > as the lisp or yacc versions? Maybe. Would it be worth spending the > time? I doubt it, at least for right now. If you want to do it > anyways, go for it.... I will not do it, unless a good speedup in Gnus (and possibly other packages, but my focus is on Gnus, which uses the routine heavily) is the result. I don't consider it a particular fun thing to write, but if it's a good point for speed optimization -- why not? > > > > Then, there are copyright problems with it. > > > No, there aren't. > > Yes, there are. The public domain code is not to be introduced in > > important parts of Emacs, as it is compromisable. > > "Compromisable?" Why, because the FSF might not be able to get > paperwork saying it really is PD? They could try, and I suspect such > paperwork would be enough. No. By definition, PD software is the software that is not copyrighted -- it does not have a legal owner (which should be the person or persons signing the papers). From www.fsf.org: Public domain software Public domain software is software that is not copyrighted. It is a special case of non-copylefted free software, which means that some copies or modified versions may not be free at all. Sometimes people use the term ``public domain'' in a loose fashion to mean ``free'' or ``available gratis.'' However, ``public domain'' is a legal term and means, precisely, ``not copyrighted''. For clarity, we recommend using ``public domain'' for that meaning only, and using other terms to convey the other meanings. Stallman considers PD programs unsafe to use in GNU. * Public domain. If you put the program in the public domain, we prefer to have a signed piece of paper--a disclaimer of rights--from you confirming this. If the program is not very important, we can do without one; the worst that could happen is that we might some day be forced to stop using it. The law says that anyone can copyright a modified version of the public domain work. (This doesn't restrict the original, which remains in the public domain; only the changes are copyrighted.) If we make extensive changes, we will probably do this and add our usual copyleft. If we make small changes, we will leave the version we distribute in the public domain. > (Actually, I'd be surprised if there weren't some other GNU programs > using a date parser already. For example, GNU date in sh-utils.) Yes, there are pieces of public-domain software in GNU, but they are either dispensable, or there is not yet a free replacement (as in the case of `getdate.y'). -- Hrvoje Niksic | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- Oh lord won't you buy me a color TV...