* Question about ticked articles being unticked... @ 1997-05-16 12:42 Karl Asha 1997-05-16 14:13 ` Mark Boyns ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Karl Asha @ 1997-05-16 12:42 UTC (permalink / raw) I have a fair number of ticked/persistent articles in a lot of my summary buffers. Recently though it suddenly dawned on me that at some point in time, some of the older ticked articles get unticked. What exactly causes this, and is there some variable I can set to avoid this behaviour? (This happens in both my nnml folders and regular newsgroups). Thanks! Karl ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Question about ticked articles being unticked... 1997-05-16 12:42 Question about ticked articles being unticked Karl Asha @ 1997-05-16 14:13 ` Mark Boyns 1997-05-16 14:56 ` Kai Grossjohann 1997-05-16 18:43 ` Dan Schmidt 1997-05-17 3:54 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 2 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Mark Boyns @ 1997-05-16 14:13 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding 16 May 1997 karl@blackdown.com writes: > I have a fair number of ticked/persistent articles in a lot of my > summary buffers. Recently though it suddenly dawned on me that at some > point in time, some of the older ticked articles get unticked. > > What exactly causes this, and is there some variable I can set to > avoid this behaviour? (This happens in both my nnml folders and regular > newsgroups). I've noticed this on nntp groups and reported it to Lars. In my case ticked (and cached) articles become unticked when they are expired on the nntp server. What's strange though is that I've only noticed it happening in comp.risks which is very low traffic. Other groups have articles I ticked over a month ago. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Question about ticked articles being unticked... 1997-05-16 14:13 ` Mark Boyns @ 1997-05-16 14:56 ` Kai Grossjohann 1997-05-16 15:02 ` Karl Asha 1997-05-16 15:08 ` Mark Boyns 0 siblings, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Kai Grossjohann @ 1997-05-16 14:56 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding >>>>> Mark Boyns writes: Mark> [...] In my case ticked (and cached) articles become unticked Mark> when they are expired on the nntp server. [...] Maybe you also need to enter them into the cache ("*")? kai -- Life is hard and then you die. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Question about ticked articles being unticked... 1997-05-16 14:56 ` Kai Grossjohann @ 1997-05-16 15:02 ` Karl Asha 1997-05-16 15:08 ` Mark Boyns 1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Karl Asha @ 1997-05-16 15:02 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Karl Asha, ding Kai Grossjohann writes: > >>>>> Mark Boyns writes: > > Mark> [...] In my case ticked (and cached) articles become unticked > Mark> when they are expired on the nntp server. [...] > > Maybe you also need to enter them into the cache ("*")? > > kai > -- > Life is hard and then you die. In my case, they're both ticked and cached. So when the ticks disappear, they're still in the cache, and I can retick them...but I'd rather the ticks never go away :) Karl ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Question about ticked articles being unticked... 1997-05-16 14:56 ` Kai Grossjohann 1997-05-16 15:02 ` Karl Asha @ 1997-05-16 15:08 ` Mark Boyns 1997-05-16 17:13 ` Hrvoje Niksic 1997-05-16 17:53 ` Stainless Steel Rat 1 sibling, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Mark Boyns @ 1997-05-16 15:08 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Karl Asha, ding 16 May 1997 grossjohann@charly.cs.uni-dortmund.de writes: > >>>>> Mark Boyns writes: > > Mark> [...] In my case ticked (and cached) articles become unticked > Mark> when they are expired on the nntp server. [...] > > Maybe you also need to enter them into the cache ("*")? Ticked articles are automatically cached. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Question about ticked articles being unticked... 1997-05-16 15:08 ` Mark Boyns @ 1997-05-16 17:13 ` Hrvoje Niksic 1997-05-16 17:31 ` Mark Boyns 1997-05-16 17:53 ` Stainless Steel Rat 1 sibling, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Hrvoje Niksic @ 1997-05-16 17:13 UTC (permalink / raw) Mark Boyns <boyns@sdsu.edu> writes: > 16 May 1997 grossjohann@charly.cs.uni-dortmund.de writes: > > > >>>>> Mark Boyns writes: > > > > Mark> [...] In my case ticked (and cached) articles become unticked > > Mark> when they are expired on the nntp server. [...] > > > > Maybe you also need to enter them into the cache ("*")? > > Ticked articles are automatically cached. I don't think so. At least in my settings (`gnus-use-cache' set to `passive', which is the default). -- Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- Oh lord won't you buy me a color TV... ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Question about ticked articles being unticked... 1997-05-16 17:13 ` Hrvoje Niksic @ 1997-05-16 17:31 ` Mark Boyns 1997-05-16 18:05 ` Hrvoje Niksic 0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Mark Boyns @ 1997-05-16 17:31 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding 16 May 1997 hniksic@srce.hr writes: > Mark Boyns <boyns@sdsu.edu> writes: > > > 16 May 1997 grossjohann@charly.cs.uni-dortmund.de writes: > > > > > >>>>> Mark Boyns writes: > > > > > > Mark> [...] In my case ticked (and cached) articles become unticked > > > Mark> when they are expired on the nntp server. [...] > > > > > > Maybe you also need to enter them into the cache ("*")? > > > > Ticked articles are automatically cached. > > I don't think so. At least in my settings (`gnus-use-cache' set to > `passive', which is the default). I do think so... (and they are _in_ my cache still) gnus-cache-enter-articles's value is (ticked dormant) Documentation: Classes of articles to enter into the cache. gnus-use-cache's value is t Documentation: *If nil, Gnus will ignore the article cache. If `passive', it will allow entering (and reading) articles explicitly entered into the cache. If anything else, use the cache to the full extent of the law. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Question about ticked articles being unticked... 1997-05-16 17:31 ` Mark Boyns @ 1997-05-16 18:05 ` Hrvoje Niksic 0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Hrvoje Niksic @ 1997-05-16 18:05 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding Mark Boyns <boyns@sdsu.edu> writes: > > > Ticked articles are automatically cached. > > > > I don't think so. At least in my settings (`gnus-use-cache' set to > > `passive', which is the default). > > I do think so... (and they are _in_ my cache still) [...] > gnus-use-cache's value is t I repeat that `gnus-use-cache' is `passive' by default, at least that's what I infer from the sources, and how it works for me. If you set it to anything else -- well, fine. I'm talking about default behaviour here. -- Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- "Silence!" cries Freydag. "I did not call thee in for a consultation!" "They are my innards! I will not have them misread by a poseur!" ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Question about ticked articles being unticked... 1997-05-16 15:08 ` Mark Boyns 1997-05-16 17:13 ` Hrvoje Niksic @ 1997-05-16 17:53 ` Stainless Steel Rat 1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Stainless Steel Rat @ 1997-05-16 17:53 UTC (permalink / raw) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "MB" == Mark Boyns <boyns@sdsu.edu> writes: >> Maybe you also need to enter them into the cache ("*")? MB> Ticked articles are automatically cached. Only if gnus-use-cache is non-nil and not 'passive. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3 Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM3yfDp6VRH7BJMxHAQHBWQP+JdYPtv0kyRMRdI4I1z7syS5r6Y9YPhgG r0X7NIodsnmnoqlM+RjjA1+rNoJGZQwHD77DMV6cVzK23VZtfnrR9e0SGY4LD8ME dUWyRNQ19rEdKRSzCKdiVwgpmhIGDEy4wM8RJ2thHWGB6wy5FQHpIQSLDEsILJlw c5gAnAyN8Zo= =7pNI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> \ Warning: pregnant women, the elderly, and PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ children under 10 should avoid prolonged \ exposure to Happy Fun Ball. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Question about ticked articles being unticked... 1997-05-16 12:42 Question about ticked articles being unticked Karl Asha 1997-05-16 14:13 ` Mark Boyns @ 1997-05-16 18:43 ` Dan Schmidt 1997-05-16 20:11 ` Justin Sheehy 1997-05-17 3:55 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1997-05-17 3:54 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 2 siblings, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Dan Schmidt @ 1997-05-16 18:43 UTC (permalink / raw) Karl Asha <karl@blackdown.com> writes: | I have a fair number of ticked/persistent articles in a lot of my | summary buffers. Recently though it suddenly dawned on me that at some | point in time, some of the older ticked articles get unticked. | | What exactly causes this, and is there some variable I can set to | avoid this behaviour? (This happens in both my nnml folders and regular | newsgroups). I have noticed that sometimes if I have one nnfolder *Summary* buffer open, and switch buffers back to *Group* without closing it, and then enter another nnfolder group, a lot of the first group's articles get unticked. I haven't reported it yet because I wanted to have a better description of the scenario, but since we're on the subject, I thought I'd pipe up. I'm using Gnus v5.4.33; nntp 5.0; nnspool 2.0; nnfolder 1.0. -- Dan Schmidt --> dfan@harmonixmusic.com, dfan@alum.mit.edu Honest Bob & the http://www2.thecia.net/users/dfan/ Factory-to-Dealer Incentives --> http://www2.thecia.net/users/dfan/hbob/ Gamelan Galak Tika --> http://web.mit.edu/galak-tika/www/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Question about ticked articles being unticked... 1997-05-16 18:43 ` Dan Schmidt @ 1997-05-16 20:11 ` Justin Sheehy 1997-05-16 20:46 ` Dan Schmidt 1997-05-17 13:30 ` Kai Grossjohann 1997-05-17 3:55 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1 sibling, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Justin Sheehy @ 1997-05-16 20:11 UTC (permalink / raw) Dan Schmidt <dfan@harmonixmusic.com> writes: > I have noticed that sometimes if I have one nnfolder *Summary* buffer > open, and switch buffers back to *Group* without closing it, and then > enter another nnfolder group, a lot of the first group's articles get > unticked. Why would you do this? You should exit a group by pressing 'q' in its Summary buffer, not by changing buffers. -Justin ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Question about ticked articles being unticked... 1997-05-16 20:11 ` Justin Sheehy @ 1997-05-16 20:46 ` Dan Schmidt 1997-05-16 21:43 ` Hrvoje Niksic 1997-05-16 22:42 ` Sudish Joseph 1997-05-17 13:30 ` Kai Grossjohann 1 sibling, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Dan Schmidt @ 1997-05-16 20:46 UTC (permalink / raw) Justin Sheehy <dworkin@ccs.neu.edu> writes: | Dan Schmidt <dfan@harmonixmusic.com> writes: | | > I have noticed that sometimes if I have one nnfolder *Summary* buffer | > open, and switch buffers back to *Group* without closing it, and then | > enter another nnfolder group, a lot of the first group's articles get | > unticked. | | Why would you do this? A standard scenario is that I'm reading through the messages in my personal folder, and I reply to one of them. While writing my reply, I realize that I need some piece of information in one of my mailing-list folders. So I switch-buffer to *Group* and select the appropriate mailing-list folder. Then I curse as I realize what I have just done. | You should exit a group by pressing 'q' in its Summary buffer, not by | changing buffers. Yes, that is true. But I'll make the following points: 1. I thought that somewhere in the gnus manual, it says that you're allowed to have multiple *Summary* buffers open at once. Of course, now I can't find that section, but in any case: 2. If opening multiple *Summary* buffers results in loss of data, the user should be forcibly prevented from doing it. 3. I could live with a one *Summary* buffer restriction, but multiple *Summary* buffers are useful in the scenario mentioned above. In that scenario, a. I was never in the first *Summary* buffer at a time where I wanted it to go away; I would have had to explicitly return to it from my *reply* buffer and then hit 'q', which is a slight pain both to execute and to remember to do. b. Having to 'q' out of the first *Summary* buffer is also a pain in that I'm in the middle of traversing my messages in that folder, and I'd rather not have to quit out of that and re-enter just to reply to one of the messages. -- Dan Schmidt --> dfan@harmonixmusic.com, dfan@alum.mit.edu Honest Bob & the http://www2.thecia.net/users/dfan/ Factory-to-Dealer Incentives --> http://www2.thecia.net/users/dfan/hbob/ Gamelan Galak Tika --> http://web.mit.edu/galak-tika/www/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Question about ticked articles being unticked... 1997-05-16 20:46 ` Dan Schmidt @ 1997-05-16 21:43 ` Hrvoje Niksic 1997-05-16 22:42 ` Sudish Joseph 1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Hrvoje Niksic @ 1997-05-16 21:43 UTC (permalink / raw) Dan Schmidt <dfan@harmonixmusic.com> writes: > 1. I thought that somewhere in the gnus manual, it says that you're > allowed to have multiple *Summary* buffers open at once. Of > course, now I can't find that section, but in any case: I think Gnus 5.0 release documentation claimed this. It's in the Compatibility section: One major compatibility question is the presence of several summary buffers. All variables that are relevant while reading a group are buffer-local to the summary buffer they belong in. Although many important variables have their values copied into their global counterparts whenever a command is executed in the summary buffer, this change might lead to incorrect values being used unless you are careful. -- Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- Speak softly and carry a +6 two-handed sword. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Question about ticked articles being unticked... 1997-05-16 20:46 ` Dan Schmidt 1997-05-16 21:43 ` Hrvoje Niksic @ 1997-05-16 22:42 ` Sudish Joseph 1997-05-17 3:58 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1 sibling, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Sudish Joseph @ 1997-05-16 22:42 UTC (permalink / raw) Dan Schmidt writes: > 1. I thought that somewhere in the gnus manual, it says that you're > allowed to have multiple *Summary* buffers open at once. Of > course, now I can't find that section, but in any case: IIRC, Lars went to great trouble to make concurrent summaries possible. I find it very useful and would hate to lose this feature. Is this now deprecated, Lars? -Sudish ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Question about ticked articles being unticked... 1997-05-16 22:42 ` Sudish Joseph @ 1997-05-17 3:58 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1997-05-17 3:58 UTC (permalink / raw) Sudish Joseph <sj@eng.mindspring.net> writes: > IIRC, Lars went to great trouble to make concurrent summaries > possible. I find it very useful and would hate to lose this feature. > Is this now deprecated, Lars? By no means. I often have a gazillion[1] summary buffers open at the same time. This is especially handy with large groups that have complex (and body-scanning) score rules, which makes group entry rather slow. Footnotes: [1] Here defined as "less than five". -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Question about ticked articles being unticked... 1997-05-16 20:11 ` Justin Sheehy 1997-05-16 20:46 ` Dan Schmidt @ 1997-05-17 13:30 ` Kai Grossjohann 1997-05-18 7:22 ` Hrvoje Niksic 1 sibling, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Kai Grossjohann @ 1997-05-17 13:30 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding >>>>> Dan Schmidt <dfan@harmonixmusic.com> writes: Dan> I have noticed that sometimes if I have one nnfolder *Summary* Dan> buffer open, and switch buffers back to *Group* without closing Dan> it, and then enter another nnfolder group, a lot of the first Dan> group's articles get unticked. >>>>> Justin Sheehy writes: Justin> Why would you do this? It makes reentering the group a *lot* faster if the group is large. For me, generating the summary buffer for a 6000 article group takes time longer than my patience. I usually enter the one group that large in the morning then go fetch some tea while Gnus is generating the summary buffer. I even added the following keybinding for convenience: ,----- | (define-key gnus-summary-exit-map "z" 'kai-gnus-summary-exit-group-quickly) | | (defun kai-gnus-summary-exit-group-quickly () | (interactive) | (switch-to-buffer gnus-group-buffer) | (delete-other-windows)) `----- I have never noticed any problems with this for nnml. kai -- Life is hard and then you die. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Question about ticked articles being unticked... 1997-05-17 13:30 ` Kai Grossjohann @ 1997-05-18 7:22 ` Hrvoje Niksic 0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Hrvoje Niksic @ 1997-05-18 7:22 UTC (permalink / raw) Kai Grossjohann <grossjohann@charly.cs.uni-dortmund.de> writes: > the summary buffer. I even added the following keybinding for > convenience: > > ,----- > | (define-key gnus-summary-exit-map "z" 'kai-gnus-summary-exit-group-quickly) > | > | (defun kai-gnus-summary-exit-group-quickly () > | (interactive) > | (switch-to-buffer gnus-group-buffer) > | (delete-other-windows)) > `----- Ha ha ha! Why not! :-) -- Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- Contrary to popular belief, Unix is user friendly. It just happens to be selective about who it makes friends with. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Question about ticked articles being unticked... 1997-05-16 18:43 ` Dan Schmidt 1997-05-16 20:11 ` Justin Sheehy @ 1997-05-17 3:55 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1997-05-17 3:55 UTC (permalink / raw) Dan Schmidt <dfan@harmonixmusic.com> writes: > I have noticed that sometimes if I have one nnfolder *Summary* buffer > open, and switch buffers back to *Group* without closing it, and then > enter another nnfolder group, a lot of the first group's articles get > unticked. This is an unrelated bug -- it's nnfolder specific. > I'm using Gnus v5.4.33; nntp 5.0; nnspool 2.0; nnfolder 1.0. This may have been fixed in Gnus 5.4.52. Perhaps. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Question about ticked articles being unticked... 1997-05-16 12:42 Question about ticked articles being unticked Karl Asha 1997-05-16 14:13 ` Mark Boyns 1997-05-16 18:43 ` Dan Schmidt @ 1997-05-17 3:54 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 2 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1997-05-17 3:54 UTC (permalink / raw) Karl Asha <karl@blackdown.com> writes: > I have a fair number of ticked/persistent articles in a lot of my > summary buffers. Recently though it suddenly dawned on me that at some > point in time, some of the older ticked articles get unticked. As noted elsewhere in this thread, other people are seeing the same behavior. I've yet to reproduce it or understand why it's happening, though. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
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