From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/17313 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hrvoje Niksic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: mh backend Date: 22 Sep 1998 17:59:18 +0200 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <199809152034.QAA20607@math.gatech.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035156036 32740 80.91.224.250 (20 Oct 2002 23:20:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 23:20:36 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from gizmo.hpc.uh.edu (gizmo.hpc.uh.edu [129.7.102.31]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA21820 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 12:00:14 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (sina.hpc.uh.edu [129.7.3.5]) by gizmo.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAF29452; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:31:08 -0500 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:59:52 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (root@sclp3.sclp.com [209.195.19.139]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21167 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:59:36 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from jagor.srce.hr (hniksic@jagor.srce.hr [161.53.2.130]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA21805 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:59:24 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: (from hniksic@localhost) by jagor.srce.hr (8.9.0/8.9.0) id RAA07968; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 17:59:19 +0200 (MET DST) Original-To: ding@gnus.org X-Attribution: Hrvoje X-Face: Mie8:rOV<\c/~z{s.X4A{!?vY7{drJ([U]0O=W/xDi&N7XG KV^$k0m3Oe/)'e%3=$PCR&3ITUXH,cK>]bci&Ff%x_>1`T(+M2Gg/fgndU%k*ft [(7._6e0n-V%|%'[c|q:;}td$#INd+;?!-V=c8Pqf}3J In-Reply-To: Justin Sheehy's message of "22 Sep 1998 11:43:57 -400" Original-Lines: 52 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070031 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.31) XEmacs/21.0 (Danish Landrace) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:17313 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:17313 Justin Sheehy writes: > François Pinard writes: > > > Maybe (just hypothesising :-) because you often need to look at these > > numbers. If you stopped having this need, probably the need to repack > > would disappear as well? > > As far as I can see, there is only one reason why one would ever need > to pack the messages in a Gnus group. As you said yourself, it is trivial to pack the messages in a Gnus group. `M P b B m GROUP' has always worked for me, GROUP being the current group. What is not trivial to do is make the numbers start out from 1 again, but after thinking about it, I really can't find a reason why anyone would want to do that. > When the article numbers become very sparse, with relatively few > articles spread over a large numerical range, some Gnus operations > become slow. At this time, one simply moves all of the articles in > that group into the same group, and the problem is solved. > > One must be careful not to miss dormant or otherwise unseen messages, > or it will do no good. This should not need to be done very often > except perhaps in extremely high-volume groups. Good point. I use total expiry for my mailing lists, and I stopped using dormant articles for this very reason -- it makes the total expiry process extremely slow. David Moore proposed a solution for this, which is for Gnus to have more than one "active" range of articles per group. This would effectively solve all these slow-downs. > Why exactly does everyone need an exact count of all of their > groups, anyway? That is, how will the knowledge of exactly how many > messages you have change what actions you take? Oh, the first part is easy to answer. If you see a number that you assume to be an article count, it would be logical for it to *be* the article count. Call it "principle the least surprise", or however you wish. I, for one, would like the number to be "correct" in the sense of displaying the actual number of new articles, although I'm not sweating over it. -- Hrvoje Niksic | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- Call CIA and tell them that you have placed a bomb in a 7-11 shop! Be sure to let them trace you. Spend 10 years in jail and then regret it.