From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/23903 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jaap-Henk Hoepman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: some mail annoyances Date: 06 Jul 1999 08:47:09 +0200 Organization: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035161551 5710 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 00:52:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 00:52:31 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from farabi.math.uh.edu (farabi.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.57]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA28551 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 02:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by farabi.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAB11615; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 01:48:05 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Tue, 06 Jul 1999 01:48:28 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (root@sclp3.sclp.com [204.252.123.139]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA18049 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 01:48:15 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA28477 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 02:47:13 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from hypnos.cs.utwente.nl (hypnos.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.15.9]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA12807 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 08:47:11 +0200 (MET DST) Original-Received: from utip151.cs.utwente.nl by hypnos.cs.utwente.nl (8.8.8+Sun/csrelay-Sol1.4/RB) id IAA10795; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 08:47:11 +0200 (MET DST) Original-Received: (from hoepman@localhost) by utip151.cs.utwente.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA07340; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 08:47:09 +0200 Original-To: ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "06 Jul 1999 06:02:30 +0200" X-Face: #U;T;~,y.iVz7!wB(gVzSj:j}x-tZr\v-PQU}''7h^>jaAM'vw1KA83N5/gN~kcktG%,>Q>""S?Fg`&U80!Vg=)El,s/W)W^ Original-Lines: 61 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070091 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.91) XEmacs/20.4 (Emerald) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:23903 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:23903 On 06 Jul 1999 06:02:30 +0200 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: > Jaap-Henk Hoepman writes: > > > What I would really love to see is a group/topic parameter called, > > say, group-type with two possible values 'mail-group and > > 'news-group. > > This sounds workable... > > > - all articles (read and unread) are visible (e.g. like (display . all)) > > - the first unread article is selected when opening > > This is the default, isn't it? I believ so, yes. > > - the group is always visible (e.g. like (visible . t)) > > - replies are Gcc:-ed to the current group (gcc-self . t) > > - will have auto-expire off (auto-expire . nil) > > Well, er, why? auto-expire only makes sense in mail groups... Well, see below. The `gnus way' of deleting articles is to mark them expirable and to expire them later, right. So when using gnus to read mail, the only quirk one needs to learn is that delete = mark expirable. To make this look as much as an immediate delete, expiry-wait should be set to immediate. For mail, the default for a read article is _not_ to delete it (at least for most mail readers it isn't :-); hence auto-expire should be nil. Deleting (ie. expiring) should require explicit action by the (novice) user. > > > - will immediately expire all expirable articles (expiry-wait . immediate) > > I don't like that much. Well, see above. > > > - all mark commands move to the next article, be it read or unread > > (the current default is to move to the next unread article) > > - set display to threaded mode > > But that's the default? Ah yes, I should have said: - set display to threaded mode with subtrees hidden. Perhaps it should be set up such that any change of a group/topic parameter after setting group-type overrides the (implicit) setting of that parameter by group-type. E.g. to set expiry-wait to some other value. Jaap-Henk -- Jaap-Henk Hoepman | Come sail your ships around me Dept. of Computer Science | And burn these bridges down University of Twente | Nick Cave - "Ship Song" Email: hoepman@cs.utwente.nl === WWW: www.cs.utwente.nl/~hoepman Phone: +31 53 4893795 === Secr: +31 53 4893770 === Fax: +31 53 4894590 PGP ID: 0xF52E26DD Fingerprint: 1AED DDEB C7F1 DBB3 0556 4732 4217 ABEF