* followup in nnimap groups doesn't heed Mail-Copies-To
@ 2000-11-14 15:40 Kai Großjohann
2000-11-15 16:28 ` Simon Josefsson
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From: Kai Großjohann @ 2000-11-14 15:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
My postings contain "Mail-Copies-To: never", yet I get followups by
mail from my colleagues when I post in our shared IMAP groups.
WIBNI Gnus would refrain from sending a Cc when the given header is
present, even in nnimap groups?
kai
--
The arms should be held in a natural and unaffected way and never
be conspicuous. -- Revised Technique of Latin American Dancing
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* Re: followup in nnimap groups doesn't heed Mail-Copies-To
2000-11-14 15:40 followup in nnimap groups doesn't heed Mail-Copies-To Kai Großjohann
@ 2000-11-15 16:28 ` Simon Josefsson
2000-11-15 16:37 ` Jorge Godoy
2000-11-15 16:54 ` Kai Großjohann
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From: Simon Josefsson @ 2000-11-15 16:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ding
Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:
> My postings contain "Mail-Copies-To: never", yet I get followups by
> mail from my colleagues when I post in our shared IMAP groups.
Does the article contain To/Cc or Newsgroups: headers?
> WIBNI Gnus would refrain from sending a Cc when the given header is
> present, even in nnimap groups?
I believed Gnus always refrained from Ccing if the header is present.
If you Followup this mail, it doesn't mail me, right?
And, your colleagues do use Gnus, right? :-)
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* Re: followup in nnimap groups doesn't heed Mail-Copies-To
2000-11-15 16:28 ` Simon Josefsson
@ 2000-11-15 16:37 ` Jorge Godoy
2000-11-15 16:44 ` Paul Jarc
2000-11-15 16:54 ` Kai Großjohann
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From: Jorge Godoy @ 2000-11-15 16:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ding
On 15 Nov 2000, sj@extundo.com wrote:
> Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:
>
>> My postings contain "Mail-Copies-To: never", yet I get followups by
>> mail from my colleagues when I post in our shared IMAP groups.
>
> Does the article contain To/Cc or Newsgroups: headers?
>
>> WIBNI Gnus would refrain from sending a Cc when the given header is
>> present, even in nnimap groups?
>
> I believed Gnus always refrained from Ccing if the header is
> present. If you Followup this mail, it doesn't mail me, right?
Wrong, as you can see....
See you,
--
Godoy. <godoy@conectiva.com>
Departamento de Publicações Conectiva S.A.
Publishing Department Conectiva Inc.
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* Re: followup in nnimap groups doesn't heed Mail-Copies-To
2000-11-15 16:37 ` Jorge Godoy
@ 2000-11-15 16:44 ` Paul Jarc
2000-11-15 17:17 ` Eric Marsden
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From: Paul Jarc @ 2000-11-15 16:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
Jorge Godoy <godoy@conectiva.com> writes:
> On 15 Nov 2000, sj@extundo.com wrote:
> > I believed Gnus always refrained from Ccing if the header is
> > present. If you Followup this mail, it doesn't mail me, right?
>
> Wrong, as you can see....
No, your followup went to the list and to Kai, but not to Simon.
Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:
> My postings contain "Mail-Copies-To: never", yet I get followups by
> mail from my colleagues when I post in our shared IMAP groups.
Sounds like a job for (cue trumpets) Mail-Followup-To.
paul
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* Re: followup in nnimap groups doesn't heed Mail-Copies-To
2000-11-15 16:44 ` Paul Jarc
@ 2000-11-15 17:17 ` Eric Marsden
2000-11-15 17:33 ` Paul Jarc
2000-11-15 18:02 ` Simon Josefsson
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From: Eric Marsden @ 2000-11-15 17:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
I agree that Gnus' handling of mailing lists could be improved. It
should be able to autodetect messages which comes from a list by the
presence of certain headers such as
^X-Mailing-List
^X-MDMailing-List
^Mailing-List:
^X-Mailman-Version
^Sender:.*owner-
^List-ID:
>From some of these it might be able to determine split rules
automatically (if a variable nnsplit-autodetect-mailinglists is
non-nil). When replying to messages from a list, Gnus should reply
only to the list, and should insert a Mail-Followups-To header. If
RFC2369 List-Subscribe and List-Unsubscribe headers are present, Gnus
should offer convenient unsubscription commands (like gnus-ml.el
posted by Julien Gilles a while ago).
<URL:http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2369.html>
--
Eric Marsden <URL:http://www.laas.fr/~emarsden/>
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* Re: followup in nnimap groups doesn't heed Mail-Copies-To
2000-11-15 17:17 ` Eric Marsden
@ 2000-11-15 17:33 ` Paul Jarc
2000-11-15 18:02 ` Simon Josefsson
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From: Paul Jarc @ 2000-11-15 17:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
Eric Marsden <emarsden@mail.dotcom.fr> writes:
> When replying to messages from a list, Gnus should reply only to the
> list, and should insert a Mail-Followups-To header.
See <URL:http://cr.yp.to/proto/replyto.html>. I've already made a
patch to make Gnus obey Mail-Followup-To (and Mail-Reply-To), and I'm
working on some code to fine-tune the conditions for controlling when
to prompt the user about obeying MFT. My MFT fields are already being
added by qmail-inject, so I have no need for Gnus to do it, but I
agree it would be a good idea. I probably won't get around to it any
time soon, though, so if someone else wants to tackle *generating* MFT
and MRT, that would be good.
paul
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* Re: followup in nnimap groups doesn't heed Mail-Copies-To
2000-11-15 17:17 ` Eric Marsden
2000-11-15 17:33 ` Paul Jarc
@ 2000-11-15 18:02 ` Simon Josefsson
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From: Simon Josefsson @ 2000-11-15 18:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ding
Eric Marsden <emarsden@mail.dotcom.fr> writes:
> If RFC2369 List-Subscribe and List-Unsubscribe headers are present,
> Gnus should offer convenient unsubscription commands (like
> gnus-ml.el posted by Julien Gilles a while ago).
gnus-ml.el is in the lisp/ dir of CVS Gnus, should we enable it by
default? Everything but "browse archive" work fine. Currently it
requires the group to have a `to-list' group parameter, but perhaps we
should remove that check.
I'm not sure about the copyright situation for it though.
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* Re: followup in nnimap groups doesn't heed Mail-Copies-To
2000-11-15 16:28 ` Simon Josefsson
2000-11-15 16:37 ` Jorge Godoy
@ 2000-11-15 16:54 ` Kai Großjohann
2000-11-15 17:19 ` Steve Youngs
2000-11-15 17:46 ` Simon Josefsson
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From: Kai Großjohann @ 2000-11-15 16:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
On 15 Nov 2000, Simon Josefsson wrote:
> Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:
>
>> My postings contain "Mail-Copies-To: never", yet I get followups by
>> mail from my colleagues when I post in our shared IMAP groups.
>
> Does the article contain To/Cc or Newsgroups: headers?
All articles contain Newsgroups headers, only a few of them contain
To/Cc.
>> WIBNI Gnus would refrain from sending a Cc when the given header is
>> present, even in nnimap groups?
>
> I believed Gnus always refrained from Ccing if the header is
> present. If you Followup this mail, it doesn't mail me, right?
Nonrelevant. I'm reading this in nnml:auto.gnus. Hm. Yes, it
refrains from Cc'ing you. Hm. I'll try to copy your message to an
nnimap group to see what happens. Just a sec...
Ah. It worx, even in an nnimap group.
Looking closer, I see that you have MCT nobody whereas I have MCT
never. Okay, I'll switch to nobody now.
> And, your colleagues do use Gnus, right? :-)
Yes. 5.8.7, to be precise.
kai
--
The arms should be held in a natural and unaffected way and never
be conspicuous. -- Revised Technique of Latin American Dancing
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* Re: followup in nnimap groups doesn't heed Mail-Copies-To
2000-11-15 16:54 ` Kai Großjohann
@ 2000-11-15 17:19 ` Steve Youngs
2000-11-15 17:46 ` Simon Josefsson
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From: Steve Youngs @ 2000-11-15 17:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
* "Kai" == Kai Großjohann <Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE> writes:
Kai> Looking closer, I see that you have MCT nobody whereas I have MCT
Kai> never. Okay, I'll switch to nobody now.
I remember a discussion a while back on gnu.emacs.gnus about which was
correct; MCT nobody or MCT never. MCT nobody won.
I'm pretty sure that Gnus used to honor both, doesn't it still do
that? If not, perhaps it should.
--
|---<Regards, Steve Youngs>-----------[GnuPG KeyID: EFD82ED2]---|
| It's a funny thing about life; if you refuse to accept |
| anything but the best, you very often get it |
|-----------------------------<mailto:youngs_s@ozlinx.com.au>---|
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* Re: followup in nnimap groups doesn't heed Mail-Copies-To
2000-11-15 16:54 ` Kai Großjohann
2000-11-15 17:19 ` Steve Youngs
@ 2000-11-15 17:46 ` Simon Josefsson
2000-11-15 18:24 ` Kai Großjohann
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From: Simon Josefsson @ 2000-11-15 17:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ding
Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:
> Looking closer, I see that you have MCT nobody whereas I have MCT
> never. Okay, I'll switch to nobody now.
Message should support both; does "nobody" work for you while "never"
does not?
The only reference for MCT I've found is
<URL:http://www.newsreaders.com/misc/mail-copies-to.html>, and it
suggest "nobody" as the recommended value.
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* Re: followup in nnimap groups doesn't heed Mail-Copies-To
2000-11-15 17:46 ` Simon Josefsson
@ 2000-11-15 18:24 ` Kai Großjohann
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From: Kai Großjohann @ 2000-11-15 18:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
On 15 Nov 2000, Simon Josefsson wrote:
> Message should support both; does "nobody" work for you while
> "never" does not?
Very amazing. The code says both, but it appears that only nobody
works, and never doesn't. Hm.
kai
--
The arms should be held in a natural and unaffected way and never
be conspicuous. -- Revised Technique of Latin American Dancing
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