Moving Split Rules from Gnus 5.13 to NoGnus (IMAP) Not Working

Moving Split Rules from Gnus 5.13 to NoGnus (IMAP) Not Working

[Aric]

I apologize for this post as it seems that splitting rules have been discussed 
very frequently here. However, despite reading up on this I am still not able 
to get my splits to work.

I have four Imap accounts that use splitting and this had been working just 
fine on Gnus 5.13 (Emacs 23.2.1) with adaptive scoring and gnus registry. In 
NoGnus no splitting occurs. It will not move emails according to the split 
rules, nor will it move incoming follow-ups to the appropriate mailbox based 
upon earlier thread locations. Both of these worked fine in 5.13. I see that 
'nnimap-split-inbox' was changed to 'nnimap-inbox', which I did. Any 
suggestions or ideas on how to get this working would be great. NoGnus is so 
much faster that I prefer to use it over 5.13. 

Thanks, Aric

Here are my rules for splitting:

(setq nnmail-message-id-cache-length '8000)
;; Second trial at split after losing mail
;(setq nnimap-split-inbox '("INBOX" )) ;; regular gnus
(setq nnimap-inbox '("INBOX" )) ;; for nognus
(setq nnimap-split-predicate "UNDELETED")
(setq nnimap-split-crosspost nil)
(setq nnimap-split-rule '(
			  ("Mac" ("INBOX" nnimap-split-fancy))
			  ("BOL" ("INBOX" nnimap-split-fancy))
			  ("Speakeasy" ("INBOX" nnimap-split-fancy))
			  ("Mednet" ("INBOX" nnimap-split-fancy))
			  ))
;; this appears necessary for the new gnus
(setq nnimap-treat-duplicates 'warn     ; or `delete'
      nnmail-cache-accepted-message-ids t
      nnimap-split-fancy
;;      '(| (: nnmail-split-fancy-with-parent) <- did nothing upon adding    
       '(|                                ;; (2)
         (: gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent) ;; (3)
         ;; splitting rules go here       ;; (4)
	 (any "promed-digest@promedmail.org" "PROMED")
	 (any "zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org" "SunSupport")
	 (any "ggplot2" "RList")
[...snip - more of same idea...]
	 "INBOX" 
	 ))

Re: Moving Split Rules from Gnus 5.13 to NoGnus (IMAP) Not Working

[Alberto Luaces]

Aric writes:

> I apologize for this post as it seems that splitting rules have been discussed 
> very frequently here. However, despite reading up on this I am still not able 
> to get my splits to work.
>
> I have four Imap accounts that use splitting and this had been working just 
> fine on Gnus 5.13 (Emacs 23.2.1) with adaptive scoring and gnus registry. In 
> NoGnus no splitting occurs. It will not move emails according to the split 
> rules, nor will it move incoming follow-ups to the appropriate mailbox based 
> upon earlier thread locations. Both of these worked fine in 5.13. I see that 
> 'nnimap-split-inbox' was changed to 'nnimap-inbox', which I did. Any 
> suggestions or ideas on how to get this working would be great. NoGnus is so 
> much faster that I prefer to use it over 5.13. 
>
> Thanks, Aric
>
> Here are my rules for splitting:
>
> (setq nnmail-message-id-cache-length '8000)
> ;; Second trial at split after losing mail
> ;(setq nnimap-split-inbox '("INBOX" )) ;; regular gnus
> (setq nnimap-inbox '("INBOX" )) ;; for nognus
> (setq nnimap-split-predicate "UNDELETED")
> (setq nnimap-split-crosspost nil)
> (setq nnimap-split-rule '(
> 			  ("Mac" ("INBOX" nnimap-split-fancy))
> 			  ("BOL" ("INBOX" nnimap-split-fancy))
> 			  ("Speakeasy" ("INBOX" nnimap-split-fancy))
> 			  ("Mednet" ("INBOX" nnimap-split-fancy))
> 			  ))
> ;; this appears necessary for the new gnus
> (setq nnimap-treat-duplicates 'warn     ; or `delete'
>       nnmail-cache-accepted-message-ids t
>       nnimap-split-fancy
> ;;      '(| (: nnmail-split-fancy-with-parent) <- did nothing upon adding    
>        '(|                                ;; (2)
>          (: gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent) ;; (3)
>          ;; splitting rules go here       ;; (4)
> 	 (any "promed-digest@promedmail.org" "PROMED")
> 	 (any "zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org" "SunSupport")
> 	 (any "ggplot2" "RList")
> [...snip - more of same idea...]
> 	 "INBOX" 
> 	 ))

They changed the nnimap-split-rule naming to nnmail-*, but I can't find
it in the online manual. Take a look at a working posted example:

http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/72705

-- 
Alberto

Re: Moving Split Rules from Gnus 5.13 to NoGnus (IMAP) Not Working

[Richard Riley]

Alberto Luaces <aluaces@udc.es> writes:

> Aric writes:
>
>> I apologize for this post as it seems that splitting rules have been discussed 
>> very frequently here. However, despite reading up on this I am still not able 
>> to get my splits to work.
>>
>> I have four Imap accounts that use splitting and this had been working just 
>> fine on Gnus 5.13 (Emacs 23.2.1) with adaptive scoring and gnus registry. In 
>> NoGnus no splitting occurs. It will not move emails according to the split 
>> rules, nor will it move incoming follow-ups to the appropriate mailbox based 
>> upon earlier thread locations. Both of these worked fine in 5.13. I see that 
>> 'nnimap-split-inbox' was changed to 'nnimap-inbox', which I did. Any 
>> suggestions or ideas on how to get this working would be great. NoGnus is so 
>> much faster that I prefer to use it over 5.13. 
>>
>> Thanks, Aric
>>
>> Here are my rules for splitting:
>>
>> (setq nnmail-message-id-cache-length '8000)
>> ;; Second trial at split after losing mail
>> ;(setq nnimap-split-inbox '("INBOX" )) ;; regular gnus
>> (setq nnimap-inbox '("INBOX" )) ;; for nognus
>> (setq nnimap-split-predicate "UNDELETED")
>> (setq nnimap-split-crosspost nil)
>> (setq nnimap-split-rule '(
>> 			  ("Mac" ("INBOX" nnimap-split-fancy))
>> 			  ("BOL" ("INBOX" nnimap-split-fancy))
>> 			  ("Speakeasy" ("INBOX" nnimap-split-fancy))
>> 			  ("Mednet" ("INBOX" nnimap-split-fancy))
>> 			  ))
>> ;; this appears necessary for the new gnus
>> (setq nnimap-treat-duplicates 'warn     ; or `delete'
>>       nnmail-cache-accepted-message-ids t
>>       nnimap-split-fancy
>> ;;      '(| (: nnmail-split-fancy-with-parent) <- did nothing upon adding    
>>        '(|                                ;; (2)
>>          (: gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent) ;; (3)
>>          ;; splitting rules go here       ;; (4)
>> 	 (any "promed-digest@promedmail.org" "PROMED")
>> 	 (any "zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org" "SunSupport")
>> 	 (any "ggplot2" "RList")
>> [...snip - more of same idea...]
>> 	 "INBOX" 
>> 	 ))
>
> They changed the nnimap-split-rule naming to nnmail-*, but I can't find
> it in the online manual. Take a look at a working posted example:
>
> http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/72705

I dont think they have. It exists in addition to.

Re: Moving Split Rules from Gnus 5.13 to NoGnus (IMAP) Not Working

[Aric]

Thank you both for your reply. 
I think that both terms still exist, nonetheless I have changed my filter rules 
to (maybe) more closely resemble those suggested. 
However, the online example has only one imap account and appears to use 
offline imap which I do not use, so it is not really a perfect example of how 
to set this up. 
Below are my modified rules and they still do not filter anything. 
Any further suggestions would be greatly appreciated. 

(setq nnimap-inbox "INBOX") ;; for nognus
(setq nnimap-split-methods 'default)
(setq nnimap-split-download-body t)
(setq nnimap-split-predicate "UNDELETED")
(setq nnimap-split-crosspost nil)
(setq nnmail-split-methods '(
			  ("One" ("INBOX" nnimap-split-fancy))
			  ("Two" ("INBOX" nnimap-split-fancy))
			  ("Three" ("INBOX" nnimap-split-fancy))
			  ("Four" ("INBOX" nnimap-split-fancy))
			  ))
(setq nnimap-treat-duplicates 'warn     ; or `delete'
      nnmail-cache-accepted-message-ids t
      nnimap-split-fancy   
       '(|                                ;; (2)
         (: gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent) ;; (3)
         ;; splitting rules go here       ;; (4)
	 (any "promed-digest@promedmail.org" "PROMED")
	 (any "zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org" "SunSupport")
	 (any "ggplot2" "RList")
	 (from "Roxanne" "Trash")
...more of same
	 ))

Re: Moving Split Rules from Gnus 5.13 to NoGnus (IMAP) Not Working

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Aric <aorchid@mac.com> writes:

> (setq nnimap-split-methods 'default)
> (setq nnimap-split-download-body t)
> (setq nnimap-split-predicate "UNDELETED")
> (setq nnimap-split-crosspost nil)

Etc.  These are all server slots, not variables, so you can't set them
that way.

The way to do it is, for instance:

(setq nnmail-split-methods <bla bla>)

(setq gnus-secondary-select-methods
      `((nnimap "hermes.netfonds.no"
	 	(nnimap-inbox "INBOX")
		(nnimap-split-methods ,nnmail-split-methods))))

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Moving Split Rules from Gnus 5.13 to NoGnus (IMAP) Not Working

[Aric]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

> 
> Aric <aorchid <at> mac.com> writes:
> 
> > (setq nnimap-split-methods 'default)
> > (setq nnimap-split-download-body t)
> > (setq nnimap-split-predicate "UNDELETED")
> > (setq nnimap-split-crosspost nil)
> 
> Etc.  These are all server slots, not variables, so you can't set them
> that way.
> 
> The way to do it is, for instance:
> 
> (setq nnmail-split-methods <bla bla>)
> 
> (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods
>       `((nnimap "hermes.netfonds.no"
> 	 	(nnimap-inbox "INBOX")
> 		(nnimap-split-methods ,nnmail-split-methods))))
> 
OK. I now have the following, which I think follows your suggestions) and I 
still get no splitting. 

(setq nnmail-split-fancy-match-partial-words t)
(setq nnmail-cache-accepted-message-ids t)
(setq nnmail-split-methods '(
			  ("One" ("INBOX" nnimap-split-fancy))
			  ("Two" ("INBOX" nnimap-split-fancy))
			  ("Three" ("INBOX" nnimap-split-fancy))
			  ("Four" ("INBOX" nnimap-split-fancy))
			  )
      nnimap-split-fancy ;;      
       '(|                                
         (: gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent) 
	 (any "promed-digest@promedmail.org" "PROMED")
	 (any "zfs-discuss-request@opensolaris.org" "SunSupport")
	 (any "ggplot2" "RList")
	 (from "Roxanne" "Trash")
etc....
	 "INBOX"))

(setq gnus-secondary-select-methods
      '(
	(nnimap "One"
		(nnimap-stream ssl)
		(nnimap-inbox "INBOX")
		(nnimap-expunge-on-close t)
		(nnimap-split-predicate "UNDELETED")
		(nnimap-split-crosspost nil))
	(nnimap "Two"
		(nnimap-stream ssl)
		(nnimap-inbox "INBOX")
		(nnimap-expunge-on-close t)
		(nnimap-split-predicate "UNDELETED")
		(nnimap-split-crosspost nil))
	(nnimap "Three"
		(remove-prefix "INBOX.")
		(nnimap-stream ssl)
		(nnimap-inbox "INBOX")
		(nnimap-expunge-on-close t)
		(nnimap-split-predicate "UNDELETED")
		(nnimap-split-crosspost nil))
	(nnimap "Four"
		(nnimap-stream ssl)
		(nnimap-inbox "INBOX")
		(nnimap-expunge-on-close t)
		(nnimap-split-predicate "UNDELETED")
		(nnimap-split-crosspost nil))
	))

Thanks for any further ideas. Aric

Re: Moving Split Rules from Gnus 5.13 to NoGnus (IMAP) Not Working

[Aric]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

> 
> Aric <aorchid <at> mac.com> writes:
> 
> > (setq nnimap-split-methods 'default)
> > (setq nnimap-split-download-body t)
> > (setq nnimap-split-predicate "UNDELETED")
> > (setq nnimap-split-crosspost nil)
> 
> Etc.  These are all server slots, not variables, so you can't set them
> that way.
> 
> The way to do it is, for instance:
> 
> (setq nnmail-split-methods <bla bla>)
> 
> (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods
>       `((nnimap "hermes.netfonds.no"
> 	 	(nnimap-inbox "INBOX")
> 		(nnimap-split-methods ,nnmail-split-methods))))

I'm certainly missing something here. I have kept trying, but it just fails to 
work. 

(setq gnus-secondary-select-methods
      '(
	(nnimap "One"
		(nnimap-address "address")
		(nnimap-stream ssl)
		(nnimap-inbox "INBOX")
		(nnimap-expunge-on-close t)
		(nnimap-split-methods nnimap-split-fancy)
		(nnimap-split-predicate "UNDELETED")
		(nnimap-split-crosspost nil))
etc more servers
(setq  nnimap-split-inbox "INBOX"
       nnimap-split-fancy ;;      
       '(|                                ;; (2)
         (: gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent) ;; (3)
         ;; splitting rules go here       ;; (4)
	 (any "promed-digest@promedmail.org" "PROMED")
etc

Any further suggestions would really be appreciated. This is sort of a deal 
breaker for Gnus for me.

Thanks very much.

Re: Moving Split Rules from Gnus 5.13 to NoGnus (IMAP) Not Working

[Michael Welsh Duggan]

Aric <aorchid@mac.com> writes:

> I'm certainly missing something here. I have kept trying, but it just
> fails to work.
>
> (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods
>       '(
> 	(nnimap "One"
> 		(nnimap-address "address")
> 		(nnimap-stream ssl)
> 		(nnimap-inbox "INBOX")
> 		(nnimap-expunge-on-close t)
> 		(nnimap-split-methods nnimap-split-fancy)
> 		(nnimap-split-predicate "UNDELETED")
> 		(nnimap-split-crosspost nil))
> etc more servers
> (setq  nnimap-split-inbox "INBOX"
>        nnimap-split-fancy ;;      
>        '(|                                ;; (2)
>          (: gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent) ;; (3)
>          ;; splitting rules go here       ;; (4)
> 	 (any "promed-digest@promedmail.org" "PROMED")
> etc

nnimap-split-fancy no longer exists as a function.  It was always a
fairly unnecessary duplication of nnmail-split-fancy.  If you change
both instances of nnimap-split-fancy above to nnmail-split-fancy, things
should work for you.  You will want to set nnimap-unsplittable-articles
instead of nnimap-split-predicate (although the default will probably be
fine for you).  I do not remember what nnimap-split-crosspost used to
do, but I am guessing that nnmail-crosspost is what you are looking for
now.  (Although I am not certain that it is used when fancy splitting.)

-- 
Michael Welsh Duggan
(md5i@md5i.com)

Re: Moving Split Rules from Gnus 5.13 to NoGnus (IMAP) Not Working

[Richard Riley]

Michael Welsh Duggan <md5i@md5i.com> writes:

> Aric <aorchid@mac.com> writes:
>
>> I'm certainly missing something here. I have kept trying, but it just
>> fails to work.
>>
>> (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods
>>       '(
>> 	(nnimap "One"
>> 		(nnimap-address "address")
>> 		(nnimap-stream ssl)
>> 		(nnimap-inbox "INBOX")
>> 		(nnimap-expunge-on-close t)
>> 		(nnimap-split-methods nnimap-split-fancy)
>> 		(nnimap-split-predicate "UNDELETED")
>> 		(nnimap-split-crosspost nil))
>> etc more servers
>> (setq  nnimap-split-inbox "INBOX"
>>        nnimap-split-fancy ;;      
>>        '(|                                ;; (2)
>>          (: gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent) ;; (3)
>>          ;; splitting rules go here       ;; (4)
>> 	 (any "promed-digest@promedmail.org" "PROMED")
>> etc
>
> nnimap-split-fancy no longer exists as a function.  It was always a
> fairly unnecessary duplication of nnmail-split-fancy.  If you change
> both instances of nnimap-split-fancy above to nnmail-split-fancy,
> things

nnimap-split-fancy does exist surely? Or it has in the examples given
here.

Re: Moving Split Rules from Gnus 5.13 to NoGnus (IMAP) Not Working

[Michael Welsh Duggan]

Richard Riley <rileyrg@googlemail.com> writes:

> Michael Welsh Duggan <md5i@md5i.com> writes:
>
>> Aric <aorchid@mac.com> writes:
>>
>>> I'm certainly missing something here. I have kept trying, but it just
>>> fails to work.
>>>
>>> (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods
>>>       '(
>>> 	(nnimap "One"
>>> 		(nnimap-address "address")
>>> 		(nnimap-stream ssl)
>>> 		(nnimap-inbox "INBOX")
>>> 		(nnimap-expunge-on-close t)
>>> 		(nnimap-split-methods nnimap-split-fancy)
>>> 		(nnimap-split-predicate "UNDELETED")
>>> 		(nnimap-split-crosspost nil))
>>> etc more servers
>>> (setq  nnimap-split-inbox "INBOX"
>>>        nnimap-split-fancy ;;      
>>>        '(|                                ;; (2)
>>>          (: gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent) ;; (3)
>>>          ;; splitting rules go here       ;; (4)
>>> 	 (any "promed-digest@promedmail.org" "PROMED")
>>> etc
>>
>> nnimap-split-fancy no longer exists as a function.  It was always a
>> fairly unnecessary duplication of nnmail-split-fancy.  If you change
>> both instances of nnimap-split-fancy above to nnmail-split-fancy,
>> things
>
> nnimap-split-fancy does exist surely? Or it has in the examples given
> here.

I guess technically it does still exist as a variable.  Based on my
reading of the code in nnimap-split-incoming-mail, you need not change
the nnimap-split-fancy variable.  But you do need to change the value of
nnimap-split-methods to nnmail-split-fancy, rather than
nnimap-split-fancy.

-- 
Michael Welsh Duggan
(md5i@md5i.com)

Re: Moving Split Rules from Gnus 5.13 to NoGnus (IMAP) Not Working

[Aric]

Michael Welsh Duggan <md5i <at> md5i.com> writes:

> nnimap-split-fancy no longer exists as a function.  It was always a
> fairly unnecessary duplication of nnmail-split-fancy.  If you change
> both instances of nnimap-split-fancy above to nnmail-split-fancy, things
> should work for you.  You will want to set nnimap-unsplittable-articles
> instead of nnimap-split-predicate (although the default will probably be
> fine for you).  I do not remember what nnimap-split-crosspost used to
> do, but I am guessing that nnmail-crosspost is what you are looking for
> now.  (Although I am not certain that it is used when fancy splitting.)

Thank you very much! Whether or not the function still exists, it seems that 
replacing it with nnmail-split-fancy as you proposed has worked (at least for 
now). Thanks again. 

Aric