* Wrong articles on RET
@ 2012-07-19 19:41 Rasmus
2012-07-19 22:09 ` Rasmus
2012-07-19 22:39 ` Matt Ford
0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Rasmus @ 2012-07-19 19:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
Hi list,
I upgraded to the newest offlineimap, which required some changes
in my offlineimap rc file. Following this, offlineimap decided
to re-syncronize all messages, perhaps due to a new, needed name
translation function. Unfortunately, Gnus is now frustrated.
I handle all of my mail accounts in Gnus. For mail groups I
display the 60 most recent mails when I click RET on one of them.
This used to work out absolutely brilliantly, with the most
recent thread/mail on top. It still works as I'd like it to when
I open all messages [C-u {large number} RET] (i.e. most recent
on top with `threating').
But when I just click RET on a group a (to me) random (but
consistent) selection of mails is shown, typically several month
old (all from March/April, it seems). I don't understand why
Gnus now want to show me these messages. . . When I open
webinterfaces the messages are still displayed in the correct order.
Does anyone know how I could solve this issue of Gnus showing the
`wrong' messages when I select a group?
Thanks in advance,
Rasmus
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2012-07-19 19:41 Wrong articles on RET Rasmus
@ 2012-07-19 22:09 ` Rasmus
2012-07-19 22:39 ` Matt Ford
1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Rasmus @ 2012-07-19 22:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
Rasmus <rasmus <at> gmx.us> writes:
> I handle all of my mail accounts in Gnus. For mail groups I
> display the 60 most recent mails when I click RET on one of them.
> This used to work out absolutely brilliantly, with the most
> recent thread/mail on top. It still works as I'd like it to when
> I open all messages [C-u {large number} RET] (i.e. most recent
> on top with `threating').
> But when I just click RET on a group a (to me) random (but
> consistent) selection of mails is shown, typically several month
> old (all from March/April, it seems). I don't understand why
> Gnus now want to show me these messages. . . When I open
> webinterfaces the messages are still displayed in the correct order.
From the doc strings I gather that Gnus select the `latest
articles' when I click RET (or space). The problem is that Gnus
selects the wrong `latest articles' for some reason which I do
not understand (but only when I select n articles with n less
than the groups total number of articles).
It's pretty consistent. I have tried to `reset' Gnus is various
ways, like renaming the .newrc.eld file, but without restoring
selection of the `right' latest articles.
Thus, I fear that offlineimap has messed up somehow, but I'm not
sure what determines the latest articles and thus what
offlineimap might have screwed up.
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2012-07-19 19:41 Wrong articles on RET Rasmus
2012-07-19 22:09 ` Rasmus
@ 2012-07-19 22:39 ` Matt Ford
2012-07-20 7:26 ` Rasmus
1 sibling, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Matt Ford @ 2012-07-19 22:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
Hi,
I see this behaviour too.
For whatever reason (copying, resyncing, internal server craziness)
message sequence can be drastically re-ordered.
I suspect its something to do with IMAP UIDs and Messages sequence
numbers: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3501#section-2.3.1
Post the resync operation new mail is sequenced normally and the
behaviour you want returns (so after sixty mails you should be okay).
The only way to see the last date sixty is to load everything and sort
by date AFAIK. If anyone knows different or how one might "reindex"
the IMAP server based on date then please let me know!
--
Matt
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* Re: Wrong articles on RET
2012-07-19 22:39 ` Matt Ford
@ 2012-07-20 7:26 ` Rasmus
2012-07-20 7:52 ` Matt Ford
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Rasmus @ 2012-07-20 7:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
Matt,
> For whatever reason (copying, resyncing, internal server craziness)
> message sequence can be drastically re-ordered.
>
> I suspect its something to do with IMAP UIDs and Messages sequence
> numbers: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3501#section-2.3.1
This was what I thought of last night as well. I will check whether
this is in fact the case later.
Out of curiosity, did you also get to this state using offlineimap?
> The only way to see the last date sixty is to load everything and
> sort by date AFAIK. If anyone knows different or how one might
> "reindex" the IMAP server based on date then please let me know!
IF it's based on IMAP UIDs it may be possible to use of these wonderful
Python libraries (e.g. imapclient or imaplib) [there's also a Perl
imapclient].
For my part it could also be that Dovecot is the source of the problem.
I'm really not sure. . .
–Rasmus
--
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it
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* Re: Wrong articles on RET
2012-07-20 7:26 ` Rasmus
@ 2012-07-20 7:52 ` Matt Ford
2012-07-20 9:24 ` Rasmus
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Matt Ford @ 2012-07-20 7:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
Rasmus <rasmus@gmx.us> writes:
> Out of curiosity, did you also get to this state using offlineimap?
Yep, offlineimap and dovecot. I've given up using both the IMAP support
and GNUS agent now seem plenty good enough for my offline usage...
--
Matt
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* Re: Wrong articles on RET
2012-07-20 7:52 ` Matt Ford
@ 2012-07-20 9:24 ` Rasmus
0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Rasmus @ 2012-07-20 9:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
Matt Ford <matt@dancingfrog.co.uk> writes:
> Rasmus <rasmus@gmx.us> writes:
>
>> Out of curiosity, did you also get to this state using offlineimap?
>
> Yep, offlineimap and dovecot. I've given up using both the IMAP support
> and GNUS agent now seem plenty good enough for my offline usage...
My sorting problem persists across the backends:
{nnmaildir, nnimap (dovecot), nnimap (upstream)}.
But again, only when I select the latest articles. Somehow everything
works out when I show all articles.
It does indeed seem to be related to UIDs. When I look at dovecot uid
list and the corresponding messages, the one with the highest number is
not the newest. . .
–Rasmus
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