sgnus 0.59: `message.el' comments

sgnus 0.59: `message.el' comments

[Per Abrahamsen]

* All variable names have changed.  

I suspect you will have to provide some compatibility package before
adding it to Emacs, or risk getting lynched.

How about using `mail-' as a prefix instead, less changes is needed
then. 

* gnus-bug didn't work.

I think it hasn't been converted fully or some such.  I don't know if
you got my bug reports, but I didn't get them despite a `BCC: abraham'.

* Organization: is mandatory in news.

Is this really right?

* Some customization options gone.

There apparently wasn't an equivalent to `mail-self-blind'.  I think
this is good, since you can just use `message-default-headers'
instead. 

* Conversion of other mail packages.

Will you also convert rmail and mhe to use `message.el', or will a
person who use rmail for mail and Gnus for news have to maintain two
sets of variables for customizing?

Re: sgnus 0.59: `message.el' comments

[Gareth Rees]

Per Abrahamsen wrote:
> * Organization: is mandatory in news.
> 
> Is this really right?

In Son-of-RFC1036, section 6.13 ("Organization") appears in chapter 6
("Optional Headers").

Re: sgnus 0.59: `message.el' comments

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

abraham@dina.kvl.dk (Per Abrahamsen) writes:

> * All variable names have changed.  
> 
> I suspect you will have to provide some compatibility package before
> adding it to Emacs, or risk getting lynched.
> 
> How about using `mail-' as a prefix instead, less changes is needed
> then. 

I wanted to avoid using all old variables to provide an interface that
is as clean as possible.   Being overly backwards compatible would
muddle the waters, I think.

> * gnus-bug didn't work.
> 
> I think it hasn't been converted fully or some such.  I don't know if
> you got my bug reports, but I didn't get them despite a `BCC: abraham'.

I just tried it, and it seems to work...

> * Organization: is mandatory in news.
> 
> Is this really right?

It's in the default `message-required-news-headers', as it was in the
default `gnus-required-headers'...

> * Some customization options gone.
> 
> There apparently wasn't an equivalent to `mail-self-blind'.  I think
> this is good, since you can just use `message-default-headers'
> instead. 

Yup.  I removed all those kinds of variables.

> * Conversion of other mail packages.
> 
> Will you also convert rmail and mhe to use `message.el', or will a
> person who use rmail for mail and Gnus for news have to maintain two
> sets of variables for customizing?

I definitely want to convert rmail, VM and mh-e to use message.el.
rmail fer shure.

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  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen

Re: sgnus 0.59: `message.el' comments

[Andy Eskilsson]

/ abraham@dina.kvl.dk (Per Abrahamsen) wrote:
| 
| * gnus-bug didn't work.
| 
| I think it hasn't been converted fully or some such.  I don't know if
| you got my bug reports, but I didn't get them despite a `BCC: abraham'.
| 

Hmm nah it was intentional, Larsi just needed a break ;-)

	/andy

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Re: sgnus 0.59: `message.el' comments

[Per Abrahamsen]

>>>>> "LMI" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:

PA> * Organization: is mandatory in news.
PA> 
PA> Is this really right?

LMI> It's in the default `message-required-news-headers', as it was in the
LMI> default `gnus-required-headers'...

I don't think it should be required.

LMI> I definitely want to convert rmail, VM and mh-e to use message.el.
LMI> rmail fer shure.

Good luck convincing Kyle...