New sketch

New sketch

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

<URL:http://www.ifi.uio.no/~larsi/rgnus/shirt/back.ps>

Speak up now or be forever silent.  (Or something like that.)

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Re: New sketch

[Hrvoje Niksic]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@ifi.uio.no) wrote:
> <URL:http://www.ifi.uio.no/~larsi/rgnus/shirt/back.ps>
> Speak up now or be forever silent.  (Or something like that.)

ROTFL! :)

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Re: New sketch

[Darren/Torin/Who Ever...]

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Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen, in an immanent manifestation of deity, wrote:
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Can we have it in gif, jpeg, png?  I don't have a postscript viewer
available right now...

Darren
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Re: New sketch

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

"Darren/Torin/Who Ever..." <torin@daft.com> writes:

> Can we have it in gif, jpeg, png?  I don't have a postscript viewer
> available right now...

It needs to be in PS form -- otherwise, you won't be able to read the
legend.  (It's quite small.)

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Re: New sketch

[David Moore]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:
> <URL:http://www.ifi.uio.no/~larsi/rgnus/shirt/back.ps>
> 
> Speak up now or be forever silent.  (Or something like that.)


	Looks good, what about using a backwards R in the Red Gnus line?


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Re: New sketch

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

David Moore <dmoore@UCSD.EDU> writes:

> 	Looks good, what about using a backwards R in the Red Gnus line?

Yes, but how?  I know virtually nothing about Metafont and friends.
Hm.  Perhaps I could edit the PostScript file instead?  Unfortunately,
I have no idea how to do that.  Uhm.  Perhaps I could do a
PS-to-whatever thingie, and then edit the bitmap with gimp or
something?  How does one do that, then?  pstopnm seems to flake out on
me...

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Re: New sketch

[David Moore]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:

> David Moore <dmoore@UCSD.EDU> writes:
> 
> > 	Looks good, what about using a backwards R in the Red Gnus line?
> 
> Yes, but how?  I know virtually nothing about Metafont and friends.
> Hm.  Perhaps I could edit the PostScript file instead?  Unfortunately,
> I have no idea how to do that.  Uhm.  Perhaps I could do a
> PS-to-whatever thingie, and then edit the bitmap with gimp or
> something?  How does one do that, then?  pstopnm seems to flake out on
> me...

	I know nothing about metafont and tex, but a couple of us here
just hacked on the postscript.

<URL:http://oj.egbt.org/dmoore/ding/back.ps>		- the original
<URL:http://oj.egbt.org/dmoore/ding/back.all.ps>	- all Rs backwards
<URL:http://oj.egbt.org/dmoore/ding/back.single.ps>	- large R only


I had to play with the kerning a bit on the all reversed one, and that's
the best I can do with it.

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Re: New sketch

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

David Moore <dmoore@UCSD.EDU> writes:

> 	I know nothing about metafont and tex, but a couple of us here
> just hacked on the postscript.
> 
> <URL:http://oj.egbt.org/dmoore/ding/back.ps>		- the original
> <URL:http://oj.egbt.org/dmoore/ding/back.all.ps>	- all Rs backwards
> <URL:http://oj.egbt.org/dmoore/ding/back.single.ps>	- large R only
> 
> I had to play with the kerning a bit on the all reversed one, and that's
> the best I can do with it.

Thanks!  Nice flipping, but I think the kerning was overdone.  There's
plenty of air between most of the letters, and the reversed r's look
kinda squished up against the preceding letters...

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Re: New sketch

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@hrym.ifi.uio.no> writes:

> Thanks!  Nice flipping, but I think the kerning was overdone.  There's
> plenty of air between most of the letters, and the reversed r's look
> kinda squished up against the preceding letters...

I've now fiddled with it some -- I've unsquashed the r's and flipped
the n's as well:
<URL:http://www.ifi.uio.no/~larsi/rgnus/shirt/edit.ps>. 

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Re: New sketch

[Steven L Baur]

>>>>> "Lars" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:

> "Darren/Torin/Who Ever..." <torin@daft.com> writes:
Darren> Can we have it in gif, jpeg, png?  I don't have a postscript viewer
Darren> available right now...

Lars> It needs to be in PS form -- otherwise, you won't be able to read the
Lars> legend.  (It's quite small.)

I can't read it with the ghostscript viewer, but a printout works.

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Re: New sketch

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@hrym.ifi.uio.no> writes:

> I've now fiddled with it some -- I've unsquashed the r's and flipped
> the n's as well:
> <URL:http://www.ifi.uio.no/~larsi/rgnus/shirt/edit.ps>. 

So -- does it look ok?  Or do you prefer the unflipped version?  I
dunno myself...  The flipped letters do look weird, which is good, but
is it too cliched?  

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Re: New sketch

[Hans de Graaff]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:

> > <URL:http://www.ifi.uio.no/~larsi/rgnus/shirt/edit.ps>. 
> 
> So -- does it look ok?  Or do you prefer the unflipped version?  I
> dunno myself...  The flipped letters do look weird, which is good, but
> is it too cliched?  

A parody is never too cliched. :-) But I think I prefer just having
the R's flipped.

Hans

Re: New sketch

[Darren/Torin/Who Ever...]

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Steven L. Baur, in an immanent manifestation of deity, wrote:
>> "Darren/Torin/Who Ever..." <torin@daft.com> writes:
>Lars> It needs to be in PS form -- otherwise, you won't be able to read the
>Lars> legend.  (It's quite small.)
>
>I can't read it with the ghostscript viewer, but a printout works.

Well, my printer is about 800 miles away but I suppose I could go find a
kinko's or something.

Darren
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Re: New sketch

[Lars Balker Rasmussen]

Hans de Graaff <J.J.deGraaff@twi.tudelft.nl> writes:
> A parody is never too cliched. :-) But I think I prefer just having
> the R's flipped.

I agree.  (Though, having taken Russian in highschool, that cliche has
always seemed strange to me.  Jaed? :-) )
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Re: New sketch

[Andy Eskilsson]

/ Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> wrote:
| 
| <URL:http://www.ifi.uio.no/~larsi/rgnus/shirt/back.ps>
| 
| Speak up now or be forever silent.  (Or something like that.)
| 

Uh.. whaddabout the russian letters??or you have skipped it??

	/Andy

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Re: New sketch

[Andy Eskilsson]

/ Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> wrote:
| 
| Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@hrym.ifi.uio.no> writes:
| 
| > I've now fiddled with it some -- I've unsquashed the r's and flipped
| > the n's as well:
| > <URL:http://www.ifi.uio.no/~larsi/rgnus/shirt/edit.ps>. 
| 
| So -- does it look ok?  Or do you prefer the unflipped version?  I
| dunno myself...  The flipped letters do look weird, which is good, but
| is it too cliched?  

Isn't it possible to use any of the cirrylic (? uh.. russian alphabet)
letters that looks like 'normal' letters?

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Re: New sketch

[Steinar Bang]

>>>>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no>:

> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@hrym.ifi.uio.no> writes:
>> I've now fiddled with it some -- I've unsquashed the r's and flipped
>> the n's as well:
>> <URL:http://www.ifi.uio.no/~larsi/rgnus/shirt/edit.ps>. 

> So -- does it look ok?  Or do you prefer the unflipped version?  I
> dunno myself...  The flipped letters do look weird, which is good, but
> is it too cliched?  

Weeell, Tovarich.... I would prefer plain old "Proletariat" to
"Proletcult". 

Call me a traditionalist, but that's just the way I am.

Re: New sketch

[Steinar Bang]

>>>>> Lars Balker Rasmussen <gnort@daimi.aau.dk>:

> Hans de Graaff <J.J.deGraaff@twi.tudelft.nl> writes:
>> A parody is never too cliched. :-) But I think I prefer just having
>> the R's flipped.

> I agree.  (Though, having taken Russian in highschool, that cliche has
> always seemed strange to me.  Jaed? :-) )

Nonono!  The Ns *must* be flipped!  I *insist*!


Do svedanya!

- Steinar

Re: New sketch

[Kai Grossjohann]

>>>>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes:

  Lars> <URL:http://www.ifi.uio.no/~larsi/rgnus/shirt/edit.ps>. 

  Lars> So -- does it look ok?  Or do you prefer the unflipped
  Lars> version?  I dunno myself...  The flipped letters do look
  Lars> weird, which is good, but is it too cliched?

I like the idea of flipping *a* *lot*, but I've got two things:

  - (simple to fix) the N is upside-down rather than leftside-right,
    which means that the serifs come out all wrong.  Why don't you
    flip it leftside-right?

  - (difficult to fix) the serif on the R is *truly* ugly.

All of this is MVHO, of course.  I'm not sure if I'd prefer sans-serif
due to the serifs problem.

Whatcha think?
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Re: New sketch

[Kai Grossjohann]

>>>>> Kai Grossjohann writes:

  Kai>   - (difficult to fix) the serif on the R is *truly* ugly.

It just occurred to me that maybe the problem can be solved by
choosing a font designed for a different size?  Like 5pt (very small)
or 20pt (very large)?  I'm not sure what will happen, though.

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Re: New sketch

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Kai Grossjohann <grossjohann@ls6.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> writes:

>   Lars> So -- does it look ok?  Or do you prefer the unflipped
>   Lars> version?  I dunno myself...  The flipped letters do look
>   Lars> weird, which is good, but is it too cliched?

I've now compared an un-flipped version to the flipped version:

1)  un-flipped.

"Hm...  Looks quite nice."

2)  flipped

"Wha...!  Uhm, oh, it has reversed r's and n's.  Neat!"

The flipped version gives me a double-take -- first I can't understand
what it says, and then it clicks, and I can read it.  

So I like the flipped version better.

>   - (simple to fix) the N is upside-down rather than leftside-right,
>     which means that the serifs come out all wrong.  Why don't you
>     flip it leftside-right?

The N is flipped the same way as the R, so it's mirrored on the Y
axis.  Perhaps I should flip the N the other way?

>   - (difficult to fix) the serif on the R is *truly* ugly.

Yup.  But even the "real" cyrillic font has that ugly serif there for
the ya letter.

Does anybody have any pointers to some site on the net where some
really real cyrillic things are on display?  If it's from the '20s, it
would be even better, but that's not really necessary...

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Re: New sketch

[Justin Sheehy]

>>>>> "Steinar" == Steinar Bang <sb@metis.no> writes:

Steinar> Weeell, Tovarich.... I would prefer plain old "Proletariat"
Steinar> to "Proletcult".

I agree somewhat, but wouldn't it be more correct to say "Proletarian"
than "Proletariat"? (As the former means a member of the latter)

-Justin