Gnus v5.8.5 GNU Emacs 20.3.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit) of Thu Dec 17 1998 on halfdome.holdit.com 200 Powered by Twister -- http://www.bcandid.com/ (Twister v1.2.0) Earlier, I reported that I needed to use ^U ^C ^S instead of ^C ^S in the *groups* order to get my news groups sorted correctly. Well, I just now looked at my .newsrc, and was equally shocked. It appears that my .newsrc and my .newsrc.eld is also being stored in reverse order. That is, the presentation I get in *Groups* seems to be exactly the opposite of how things are stored. So perhaps it's just the *Groups* output code? Did that change between 5.8.3 and 5.8.5?