From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/40074 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Harry Putnam Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: thoughts on spam Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 10:51:46 -0800 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <87y9m9fs6b.fsf@squeaker.lickey.com> <861yjgbygz.fsf@duchess.twilley.org> <20011102235444.E9C73BD48@squeaker.lickey.com> <87n122s9k8.fsf@squeaker.lickey.com> <87g07tgqeu.fsf@squeaker.lickey.com> <871yjdc5wq.fsf@squeaker.lickey.com> <874ro796v8.fsf@squeaker.lickey.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035175681 31299 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 04:48:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 04:48:01 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: (qmail 28937 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2001 18:58:03 -0000 Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu (mail@129.7.128.13) by mastaler.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2001 18:58:03 -0000 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 161BOb-0000ne-00; Tue, 06 Nov 2001 12:56:25 -0600 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Tue, 06 Nov 2001 12:56:01 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (qmailr@sclp3.sclp.com [209.196.61.66]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA19368 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 12:55:46 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (qmail 28868 invoked by alias); 6 Nov 2001 18:55:53 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 28863 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2001 18:55:53 -0000 Original-Received: from smtp.newsguy.com (HELO newsguy.com) (209.155.56.71) by gnus.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 2001 18:55:53 -0000 Original-Received: from reader.local.lan (adsl-66.51.210.228.dslextreme.com [66.51.210.228]) by newsguy.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA59289 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 10:55:23 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: (from reader@localhost) by reader.local.lan (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fA6ItKH15264; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 10:55:20 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: reader.local.lan: reader set sender to reader@newsguy.com using -f Original-To: ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: <874ro796v8.fsf@squeaker.lickey.com> ("Matt Armstrong"'s message of "Tue, 06 Nov 2001 09:55:23 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.090004 (Oort Gnus v0.04) Emacs/21.1 (i586-pc-linux-gnu) Original-Lines: 25 Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:40074 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:40074 "Matt Armstrong" writes: [...] > The mail was preserved in the IncomingXXX files, yes, thanks to my > having mail-source-delete-incoming set to nil. `mail-source-delete-incoming' is set to nil by default in alpha gnus. Has been for years. You are thanking the wrong party. There was a short time a few mnths ago when that got set to t by accident in a tarball (or maybe it was on cvs for a few days). It was duly noted here and quickly changed. Gnus authors, contibutors etc have taken actual `mail loss' very seriously right along. I missed the short lived mess Karl K. mentioned. And I think he said it was fairly short lived too. The reason I kept on with this discussion is because you made a point in counter to `Rat' that if we/you dropped software because it screwed us we would drop gnus. However, if I understood `Rat' correctly he was taling about mail being thoroughly trashed, not surviving in special backupfiles provided by the software in question.