From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/44970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Harry Putnam Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Who sets Sender:? Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 07:33:57 -0700 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <87bsbak1ws.fsf@nwalsh.com> <02May20.171937edt.119286@gateway.intersystems.com> <873cwld3aw.fsf@nwalsh.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1022423849 29796 127.0.0.1 (26 May 2002 14:37:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 14:37:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 17Bz9E-0007kT-00 for ; Sun, 26 May 2002 16:37:28 +0200 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 17Bz8x-0005ic-00; Sun, 26 May 2002 09:37:11 -0500 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Sun, 26 May 2002 09:37:27 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (qmailr@sclp3.sclp.com [209.196.61.66]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA07520 for ; Sun, 26 May 2002 09:37:13 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: (qmail 11139 invoked by alias); 26 May 2002 14:36:52 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 11134 invoked from network); 26 May 2002 14:36:52 -0000 Original-Received: from 66-51-205-200.dslextreme.com (HELO mail.dslextreme.com) (66.51.205.200) by gnus.org with SMTP; 26 May 2002 14:36:52 -0000 Original-Received: from reader.local.lan (adsl-66.51.210.228.dslextreme.com [66.51.210.228]) by mail.dslextreme.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g4QEdWiU023637 for ; Sun, 26 May 2002 07:39:33 -0700 Original-Received: (from root@localhost) by reader.local.lan (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g4QEaMa01092 for ding@gnus.org.PROCMAIL; Sun, 26 May 2002 07:36:22 -0700 Original-Received: (from reader@localhost) by reader.local.lan (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g4QEaLq01054; Sun, 26 May 2002 07:36:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: reader.local.lan: reader set sender to reader@newsguy.com using -f Original-To: Barry Fishman In-Reply-To: (Barry Fishman's message of "Sun, 26 May 2002 09:48:47 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.090006 (Oort Gnus v0.06) Emacs/21.2 (i586-pc-linux-gnu) Original-Lines: 61 Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:44970 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:44970 Barry Fishman writes: > Norman Walsh writes: > >> / Stainless Steel Rat was heard to say: >> | Sender contains the mailbox of the agent responsible for submitting the >> | message to the network (MTA). The idea is that while the originator >> | mailbox may be ndw@nwalsh.com, the Sender is the local user on the local >> | machine. >> >> Ok, fair enough. So this presents an interesting conundrum. In my >> case, the "local machine" has no name. I'm on a laptop behind a >> firewall attached to a cable provider that generates a "random" IP >> address via DHCP. > > I suspect this situation is very common. My home network name I keep > as just ".local" since at least conveys the impression that it will > not be found from DNS, and is not expected to be unique. I was also > wondered about a message-id which was not anchored to a unique > address. Barry, I had a little trouble figuring out what the end result of our customizations is. > > The approach I take is probably a bit convolved but begins by > giving my system a unique name which should be at least traceable > by humans: > > (setq mail-host-address "barry_fishman.att.net") What does gnus do with this information? > Which is my ISP username grafted into its network domain. > I then convince the message package to use it, and not send any > sender field: > > (setq gnus-local-domain "att.net") Ditto here. > ;; I don't really have valid FQDN information so clean up header > (setq message-syntax-checks '((sender . disabled))) with this done, what fields are effected by your other settings? > ;; Makes sure (message-make-fqdn) uses mail-host-address when we > ;; are on the .local network. > (setq message-bogus-system-names "^localhost\\.\\|\\.local$") What is the advantage of this? With sender disabled, is the only field being effected the rhs of message id? Does this accomplish the same things: (defun message-make-fqdn () "My hacked message-id." "reader.newsguy.com")