* Gnus 5.6.38 and Emacs 20.3
@ 1998-08-20 22:30 Bill White
1998-08-20 23:00 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
` (2 more replies)
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From: Bill White @ 1998-08-20 22:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
Gnus v5.6.38, GNU Emacs 20.3.1 (i586-unicent-linux-gnu, X toolkit) of
Thu Aug 20 1998 on banshee
gnus-group-suspend works fine so far with 20.3.1, but C-c C-c (aka M-x
message-send-and-exit) returns the following message in the minibuffer
and doesn't sent the message:
----------------------------------------
Attempt to set a constant symbol: :-pos
----------------------------------------
Is there something more I could report to help debug things?
Thanks -
Bill
--
Bill White
billw@wolfram.com
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* Re: Gnus 5.6.38 and Emacs 20.3
1998-08-20 22:30 Gnus 5.6.38 and Emacs 20.3 Bill White
@ 1998-08-20 23:00 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1998-08-21 10:56 ` Harald Meland
1998-08-22 12:44 ` François Pinard
2 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1998-08-20 23:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
Bill White <billw@wolfram.com> writes:
> gnus-group-suspend works fine so far with 20.3.1, but C-c C-c (aka M-x
> message-send-and-exit) returns the following message in the minibuffer
> and doesn't sent the message:
>
> ----------------------------------------
> Attempt to set a constant symbol: :-pos
> ----------------------------------------
`(setq debug-on-error t)', repeat the bug and mail me the resulting
backtrace.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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* Re: Gnus 5.6.38 and Emacs 20.3
1998-08-20 22:30 Gnus 5.6.38 and Emacs 20.3 Bill White
1998-08-20 23:00 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 1998-08-21 10:56 ` Harald Meland
1998-08-21 14:33 ` Simon Josefsson
1998-08-21 19:11 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1998-08-22 12:44 ` François Pinard
2 siblings, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Harald Meland @ 1998-08-21 10:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ding
[Bill White]
> Gnus v5.6.38, GNU Emacs 20.3.1 (i586-unicent-linux-gnu, X toolkit) of
> Thu Aug 20 1998 on banshee
>
> gnus-group-suspend works fine so far with 20.3.1, but C-c C-c (aka M-x
> message-send-and-exit) returns the following message in the minibuffer
> and doesn't sent the message:
>
> ----------------------------------------
> Attempt to set a constant symbol: :-pos
> ----------------------------------------
I haven't seen this problem (yet, this is my second message using
20.3/5.6.38 :), but on the subject of Emacs 20.3: I had to add this
snippet to my .emacs in order for Gnus not to misunderstand the names
of my 8-bit-character-containing-mail-group-names:
;; And I don't want my .newsrc.eld MULEified, as this messes up mail
;; group names with 8-bit characters:
(setq file-coding-system-alist
(nconc '(("\\.newsrc\\.eld\\'" no-conversion . no-conversion))
file-coding-system-alist))
Could Gnus maybe include somthing like that, or bind
`coding-system-for-read' appropriately before it reads our
"~/.newsrc.eld"s?
--
Harald
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* Re: Gnus 5.6.38 and Emacs 20.3
1998-08-21 10:56 ` Harald Meland
@ 1998-08-21 14:33 ` Simon Josefsson
1998-08-23 16:33 ` Harald Meland
1998-08-21 19:11 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Simon Josefsson @ 1998-08-21 14:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: Bill White, ding
Harald Meland <Harald.Meland@usit.uio.no> writes:
> ;; And I don't want my .newsrc.eld MULEified, as this messes up mail
> ;; group names with 8-bit characters:
> (setq file-coding-system-alist
> (nconc '(("\\.newsrc\\.eld\\'" no-conversion . no-conversion))
> file-coding-system-alist))
>
> Could Gnus maybe include somthing like that, or bind
> `coding-system-for-read' appropriately before it reads our
> "~/.newsrc.eld"s?
I have this in my ~/.gnus:
;; I'm using ÅÄÖ in my .newsrc.eld
(setq gnus-startup-file-coding-system 'iso-8859-1)
/s
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* Re: Gnus 5.6.38 and Emacs 20.3
1998-08-21 10:56 ` Harald Meland
1998-08-21 14:33 ` Simon Josefsson
@ 1998-08-21 19:11 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1998-08-22 17:48 ` SL Baur
1998-08-23 16:39 ` Harald Meland
1 sibling, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1998-08-21 19:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
Harald Meland <Harald.Meland@usit.uio.no> writes:
> I haven't seen this problem (yet, this is my second message using
> 20.3/5.6.38 :), but on the subject of Emacs 20.3: I had to add this
> snippet to my .emacs in order for Gnus not to misunderstand the names
> of my 8-bit-character-containing-mail-group-names:
Gnus binds `coding-system-for-read' before reading the file(s) with
the value of `gnus-startup-file-coding-system'. Which is `binary' by
default. Should it be `no-conversion' instead?
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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* Re: Gnus 5.6.38 and Emacs 20.3
1998-08-20 22:30 Gnus 5.6.38 and Emacs 20.3 Bill White
1998-08-20 23:00 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1998-08-21 10:56 ` Harald Meland
@ 1998-08-22 12:44 ` François Pinard
1998-08-22 17:10 ` Bill White
1998-08-22 17:28 ` Hrvoje Niksic
2 siblings, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: François Pinard @ 1998-08-22 12:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ding
Bill White <billw@wolfram.com> writes:
> Attempt to set a constant symbol: :-pos
> Is there something more I could report to help debug things?
Grrr! I'm sure I've seen this problem before, a while ago in fact, and
I remember that the mere solution was to rename a few variables all over
some Emacs LISP source. The sad thing is that I do not remember which,
nor why. It was something like changing `...:-pos' to `...:-position',
maybe. I likely reported the problem, whatever it was. The trick Lars
gave you, that is "(setq debug-on-error t)", should help you identifying
where the problem occurred, at least.
--
François Pinard mailto:pinard@iro.umontreal.ca
Join the free Translation Project! http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/~pinard
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* Re: Gnus 5.6.38 and Emacs 20.3
1998-08-22 12:44 ` François Pinard
@ 1998-08-22 17:10 ` Bill White
1998-08-22 17:28 ` Hrvoje Niksic
1 sibling, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Bill White @ 1998-08-22 17:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ding
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Lars came up with the right answer. I had just upgraded to Emacs 20.3
(my first emacs upgrade) and just copied all the .el and .elc files
from 20.2's site-lisp dir to 20.3's. All I had to do was delete the
.elc files & byte-compile with 20.3. Problem solved!
Cheers -
bw
--
Bill White
billw@wolfram.com
http://www.wolfram.com/~billw
François Pinard <pinard@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
> Bill White <billw@wolfram.com> writes:
>
> > Attempt to set a constant symbol: :-pos
>
> > Is there something more I could report to help debug things?
>
> Grrr! I'm sure I've seen this problem before, a while ago in fact, and
> I remember that the mere solution was to rename a few variables all over
> some Emacs LISP source. The sad thing is that I do not remember which,
> nor why. It was something like changing `...:-pos' to `...:-position',
> maybe. I likely reported the problem, whatever it was. The trick Lars
> gave you, that is "(setq debug-on-error t)", should help you identifying
> where the problem occurred, at least.
>
> --
> François Pinard mailto:pinard@iro.umontreal.ca
> Join the free Translation Project! http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/~pinard
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* Re: Gnus 5.6.38 and Emacs 20.3
1998-08-22 12:44 ` François Pinard
1998-08-22 17:10 ` Bill White
@ 1998-08-22 17:28 ` Hrvoje Niksic
1 sibling, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Hrvoje Niksic @ 1998-08-22 17:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
François Pinard <pinard@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
> Bill White <billw@wolfram.com> writes:
>
> > Attempt to set a constant symbol: :-pos
>
> > Is there something more I could report to help debug things?
>
> Grrr! I'm sure I've seen this problem before, a while ago in fact,
> and I remember that the mere solution was to rename a few variables
> all over some Emacs LISP source. The sad thing is that I do not
> remember which, nor why. It was something like changing `...:-pos'
> to `...:-position', maybe.
No, it's `:-pos' to `colon-pos'. The file in question is
`mail/mail-extr.el', and the problem occurs because Emacs 20 supports
unquoted keywords, and signals an error if you try to assign a
different value to them.
--
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
I'm a Lisp variable -- bind me!
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* Re: Gnus 5.6.38 and Emacs 20.3
1998-08-21 19:11 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 1998-08-22 17:48 ` SL Baur
1998-08-22 18:06 ` Karl Kleinpaste
1998-08-23 5:42 ` Michael Welsh Duggan
1998-08-23 16:39 ` Harald Meland
1 sibling, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: SL Baur @ 1998-08-22 17:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes in ding@gnus.org:
> Gnus binds `coding-system-for-read' before reading the file(s) with
> the value of `gnus-startup-file-coding-system'. Which is `binary' by
> default. Should it be `no-conversion' instead?
`binary' should be correct. `no-conversion' can change LFs to CR-LFs
and vice-versa.
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* Re: Gnus 5.6.38 and Emacs 20.3
1998-08-22 17:48 ` SL Baur
@ 1998-08-22 18:06 ` Karl Kleinpaste
1998-08-22 18:13 ` Hrvoje Niksic
1998-08-22 19:50 ` Harold G. Stevenson
1998-08-23 5:42 ` Michael Welsh Duggan
1 sibling, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Karl Kleinpaste @ 1998-08-22 18:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
SL Baur <steve@xemacs.org> writes:
> `no-conversion' can change LFs to CR-LFs and vice-versa.
Let me see if I have this straight: `no-conversion' does a conversion?
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* Re: Gnus 5.6.38 and Emacs 20.3
1998-08-22 18:06 ` Karl Kleinpaste
@ 1998-08-22 18:13 ` Hrvoje Niksic
1998-08-22 19:50 ` Harold G. Stevenson
1 sibling, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Hrvoje Niksic @ 1998-08-22 18:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
Karl Kleinpaste <karl@jprc.com> writes:
> SL Baur <steve@xemacs.org> writes:
> > `no-conversion' can change LFs to CR-LFs and vice-versa.
>
> Let me see if I have this straight: `no-conversion' does a
> conversion?
Yup. Splendid, isn't it? Call it "hysterical reasons"! :-(
--
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
Sauron is alive in Argentina!
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* Re: Gnus 5.6.38 and Emacs 20.3
1998-08-22 18:06 ` Karl Kleinpaste
1998-08-22 18:13 ` Hrvoje Niksic
@ 1998-08-22 19:50 ` Harold G. Stevenson
1 sibling, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Harold G. Stevenson @ 1998-08-22 19:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ding
i just got xemacs running and i need to know how to set up my machine
so that i can read mail and gnus. any help will be greatly appreciated.
from tucson-:))
harold
On 22 Aug 1998, Karl Kleinpaste wrote:
> SL Baur <steve@xemacs.org> writes:
> > `no-conversion' can change LFs to CR-LFs and vice-versa.
>
> Let me see if I have this straight: `no-conversion' does a conversion?
>
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* Re: Gnus 5.6.38 and Emacs 20.3
1998-08-22 17:48 ` SL Baur
1998-08-22 18:06 ` Karl Kleinpaste
@ 1998-08-23 5:42 ` Michael Welsh Duggan
1998-08-23 10:55 ` Hrvoje Niksic
1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Michael Welsh Duggan @ 1998-08-23 5:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
SL Baur <steve@xemacs.org> writes:
> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes in ding@gnus.org:
>
> > Gnus binds `coding-system-for-read' before reading the file(s) with
> > the value of `gnus-startup-file-coding-system'. Which is `binary' by
> > default. Should it be `no-conversion' instead?
>
> `binary' should be correct. `no-conversion' can change LFs to CR-LFs
> and vice-versa.
Partially incorrect. no-conversion doesn't change line endings.
binary is an alias for no-conversion.
--
Michael Duggan
(md5i@cs.cmu.edu)
.
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* Re: Gnus 5.6.38 and Emacs 20.3
1998-08-23 5:42 ` Michael Welsh Duggan
@ 1998-08-23 10:55 ` Hrvoje Niksic
0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Hrvoje Niksic @ 1998-08-23 10:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
Michael Welsh Duggan <md5i@cs.cmu.edu> writes:
> SL Baur <steve@xemacs.org> writes:
>
> > Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes in ding@gnus.org:
> >
> > > Gnus binds `coding-system-for-read' before reading the file(s) with
> > > the value of `gnus-startup-file-coding-system'. Which is `binary' by
> > > default. Should it be `no-conversion' instead?
> >
> > `binary' should be correct. `no-conversion' can change LFs to CR-LFs
> > and vice-versa.
>
> Partially incorrect. no-conversion doesn't change line endings.
> binary is an alias for no-conversion.
Not so under XEmacs. I don't guarantee for FSF Emacs/MULE.
--
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
A radioactive cat has eighteen half-lives.
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* Re: Gnus 5.6.38 and Emacs 20.3
1998-08-21 14:33 ` Simon Josefsson
@ 1998-08-23 16:33 ` Harald Meland
0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Harald Meland @ 1998-08-23 16:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
[Simon Josefsson]
> Harald Meland <Harald.Meland@usit.uio.no> writes:
>
> > ;; And I don't want my .newsrc.eld MULEified, as this messes up mail
> > ;; group names with 8-bit characters:
> > (setq file-coding-system-alist
> > (nconc '(("\\.newsrc\\.eld\\'" no-conversion . no-conversion))
> > file-coding-system-alist))
> >
> > Could Gnus maybe include somthing like that, or bind
> > `coding-system-for-read' appropriately before it reads our
> > "~/.newsrc.eld"s?
>
> I have this in my ~/.gnus:
>
> ;; I'm using ÅÄÖ in my .newsrc.eld
> (setq gnus-startup-file-coding-system 'iso-8859-1)
That doesn't work here -- it converts all instances of e.g. the single
iso-8859-1 character "Å" into the four characters "\305". It might
work if you had this set up when you created your first
8-bit-character-containing-group-name, but that's not what I want.
--
Harald
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* Re: Gnus 5.6.38 and Emacs 20.3
1998-08-21 19:11 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1998-08-22 17:48 ` SL Baur
@ 1998-08-23 16:39 ` Harald Meland
1 sibling, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Harald Meland @ 1998-08-23 16:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]
> Harald Meland <Harald.Meland@usit.uio.no> writes:
>
> > I haven't seen this problem (yet, this is my second message using
> > 20.3/5.6.38 :), but on the subject of Emacs 20.3: I had to add this
> > snippet to my .emacs in order for Gnus not to misunderstand the names
> > of my 8-bit-character-containing-mail-group-names:
>
> Gnus binds `coding-system-for-read' before reading the file(s) with
> the value of `gnus-startup-file-coding-system'.
Great. Dunno how I got to believe my snippet was needed at all, as it
doesn't appear to be needed now.
--
Harald
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