From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/57361 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jonas Steverud Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Wizards! I mean, Assistants! Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 18:19:45 +0200 Organization: The Deciples of Albericht Nibelungen Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1084724420 18692 80.91.224.253 (16 May 2004 16:20:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 16:20:20 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ding-owner+M5901@lists.math.uh.edu Sun May 16 18:20:12 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BPON2-0008K7-00 for ; Sun, 16 May 2004 18:20:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1BPOMm-0003sL-00; Sun, 16 May 2004 11:19:56 -0500 Original-Received: from util2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.23]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1BPOMi-0003sG-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sun, 16 May 2004 11:19:52 -0500 Original-Received: from justine.libertine.org ([66.139.78.221] ident=postfix) by util2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BPOMh-0005BV-Ul for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sun, 16 May 2004 11:19:51 -0500 Original-Received: from mxfep01.bredband.com (mxfep01.bredband.com [195.54.107.70]) by justine.libertine.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE0743A003B for ; Sun, 16 May 2004 11:19:45 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from c-a35372d5.036-4-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se.bredband.net ([213.114.83.205] [213.114.83.205]) by mxfep01.bredband.com with ESMTP id <20040516161944.TKRA2575.mxfep01.bredband.com@c-a35372d5.036-4-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se.bredband.net> for ; Sun, 16 May 2004 18:19:44 +0200 Original-To: ding@gnus.org Mail-Copies-To: never In-Reply-To: (Simon Josefsson's message of "Sun, 16 May 2004 15:20:51 +0000 (UTC)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3 (darwin) Precedence: bulk Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:57361 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:57361 Simon Josefsson writes: > Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen gnus.org> writes: > >> (I don't really like that word, though. "Assistant"?) > > I think "saints" was proposed last time, but I don't recall if people > liked it. Considering that this is for new users that might be new to Emacs as well, I don't think it is a wise decision to invent a new word for an old concept. There are plenty of places to confuse the newbie without having to confront them with unknown words. Besides, the user will mostly become angry - "if this is x, why the #@% don't they call it x then?!" The user know what to expect if he is presented with "This Assistant will guide you through the configuration process", but might more easily be confused if it is "This gnome..." or "This daisy..." or "This elf..." It never pays of to be witty when to find names for concepts that will live much longer then any laughter. Two other "cases in point:" I think Wizard is trademarked by you-know-who (I remember seeing some information about some discussion about the topic for about five years ago... you get the picture). Apple calls 'em Assistants in Mac OS X and yes, they might have trademarked that as well - worth checking out. These dialogs doesn't do any magic, so lets not call 'em Wizards. It sounds too much PR/Marketing Management to me. Assistants are much better. -- ( http://hem.bredband.net/steverud/ ! Wei Wu Wei ) ( Meaning of U2 Lyrics, Roleplaying ! To Do Without Do )