From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/23447 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Per Bothner Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: some mail annoyances [renumbering] Date: 22 Jun 1999 10:48:02 -0700 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035161178 2059 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 00:46:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 00:46:18 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from farabi.math.uh.edu (farabi.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.57]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA06374 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:46:54 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by farabi.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAB06831; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:42:54 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:43:25 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (root@sclp3.sclp.com [204.252.123.139]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA12929 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:43:15 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from magnus.bothner.com (root@adsl-216-102-199-253.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.102.199.253]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA06240 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:42:14 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: by bothner.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.102) for ding@gnus.org; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:48:03 -0700 (PDT) Original-To: ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: Per Abrahamsen's message of "22 Jun 1999 14:53:35 +0200" Original-Lines: 47 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070084 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.84) XEmacs/21.2(beta14) (Dionysos) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:23447 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:23447 Per Abrahamsen writes: > You can't renumber the usenet messages, why should you be able to > renumber mail messages? Makes no sense from the Gnus point of view. But it makes sense from *my* point of view. Saying you can't renumber news does not imply that should should not be able to renumber mail. News and mail *are* different. It is useful for them to share user interfaces to a large extent, but that should not be an excuse to provide the minimal shared functionality. Stainless Steel Rat writes: > This is a Bad Idea for something that works from a news reader's > perspective which remembers read messages by number. If you give a new > message a number that has already been used, it will appear to have been > read, and well, that is just plain wrong. Huh? If there was a command to renumber a mail group, it would also renumber the remembered read messages. That is part of a correct implementation. It may be tedious, but it is obviously doable. I suppose message number may also be appear in messages sent to others, thus threading may get confused if messages are renumbed and then a new mesages arrives which references a message using the old number. But in no case should unread mail "appear to have been read", assuming a correctly-implemented re-number command. I do not see that there can be any fundamental difficulty writing such a command. A pain, that I can see, if there are a lot of files that have to be modified. Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE writes: > You can make them have consecutive numbers by moving all messages from > a group to the same group. You can (reliably) move messages *within* a group? I guess I should read up on that. > Rat has already explained why re-using low numbers is not a good > idea at all. Not to my satisfaction. Perhaps this would make a good FAQ entry when we are done? -- --Per Bothner bothner@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/bothner/