* Error in (info "(gnus)Splitting Mail") [not found] ` <m2d3p02fd2.fsf@verilab.com> @ 2010-12-18 8:16 ` Štěpán Němec [not found] ` <mailman.13.1292660334.28168.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Štěpán Němec @ 2010-12-18 8:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Tommy Kelly; +Cc: info-gnus-english, ding Tommy Kelly <tommy.kelly@verilab.com> writes: > Thanks Štěpán. I think I'd figure that but what was confusing me was the > fact that an unescaped dot was shown in examples for the non-fancy > split method. For example, in info "6.3.3 Splitting Mail" you see an > example of: > > ("list.\\1" "From:.* \\(.*\\)-list@majordomo.com") > > So shouldn't the dot after "majordomo" be double escaped? Yeah, that's obviously just an error in the documentation, but a mostly harmless one, as "." matches the dot anyway... Cc-ing the ding list. Štěpán ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
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* Re: Error in (info "(gnus)Splitting Mail") [not found] ` <mailman.13.1292660334.28168.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> @ 2010-12-18 18:45 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 2010-12-18 22:33 ` Tommy Kelly 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2010-12-18 18:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Štěpán Němec; +Cc: info-gnus-english, ding, Tommy Kelly Štěpán Němec <stepnem@gmail.com> writes: >> ("list.\\1" "From:.* \\(.*\\)-list@majordomo.com") >> >> So shouldn't the dot after "majordomo" be double escaped? > > Yeah, that's obviously just an error in the documentation, but a mostly > harmless one, as "." matches the dot anyway... It's more readable without the \\, and the chance for false positives is minuscule, so I think I'll just leave it as is. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: Error in (info "(gnus)Splitting Mail") 2010-12-18 18:45 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2010-12-18 22:33 ` Tommy Kelly 2010-12-19 14:27 ` Ted Zlatanov 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Tommy Kelly @ 2010-12-18 22:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english; +Cc: ding Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes: > Štěpán Němec <stepnem@gmail.com> writes: > >>> ("list.\\1" "From:.* \\(.*\\)-list@majordomo.com") >>> >>> So shouldn't the dot after "majordomo" be double escaped? >> >> Yeah, that's obviously just an error in the documentation, but a mostly >> harmless one, as "." matches the dot anyway... > > It's more readable without the \\, and the chance for false positives is > minuscule, so I think I'll just leave it as is. So: The person who wrote the stuff, understands it in intense detail without the documentation, and therefore has little or no need of the documentation thinks the documentation is more readable as it is. The person who is trying to learn the stuff, and must rely heavily on said documentation thinks the documentation would be more readable with a a minor fix. Hmmm. :-) Tommy ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: Error in (info "(gnus)Splitting Mail") 2010-12-18 22:33 ` Tommy Kelly @ 2010-12-19 14:27 ` Ted Zlatanov 2010-12-19 15:24 ` Štěpán Němec 2010-12-19 15:53 ` Tommy Kelly 0 siblings, 2 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Ted Zlatanov @ 2010-12-19 14:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english; +Cc: ding On Sat, 18 Dec 2010 16:33:47 -0600 Tommy Kelly <tommy.kelly@verilab.com> wrote: TK> The person who wrote the stuff, understands it in intense TK> detail without the documentation, and therefore has little or no need TK> of the documentation thinks the documentation is more readable as it is. TK> The person who is trying to learn the stuff, and must rely heavily on TK> said documentation thinks the documentation would be more readable with a TK> a minor fix. Štěpán was noting a minor issue: if mail comes from majordomoXcom (any single character) instead of majordomo.com, it will match that splitting rule. I don't think Štěpán suggested it would make the documentation more readable to fix that. Ted ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: Error in (info "(gnus)Splitting Mail") 2010-12-19 14:27 ` Ted Zlatanov @ 2010-12-19 15:24 ` Štěpán Němec 2010-12-19 15:53 ` Tommy Kelly 1 sibling, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Štěpán Němec @ 2010-12-19 15:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ted Zlatanov; +Cc: info-gnus-english, ding Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> writes: > On Sat, 18 Dec 2010 16:33:47 -0600 Tommy Kelly <tommy.kelly@verilab.com> wrote: > > TK> The person who wrote the stuff, understands it in intense > TK> detail without the documentation, and therefore has little or no need > TK> of the documentation thinks the documentation is more readable as it is. > > TK> The person who is trying to learn the stuff, and must rely heavily on > TK> said documentation thinks the documentation would be more readable with a > TK> a minor fix. > > Štěpán was noting a minor issue: if mail comes from majordomoXcom (any > single character) instead of majordomo.com, it will match that splitting > rule. I don't think Štěpán suggested it would make the documentation > more readable to fix that. I think Tommy's and Lars's notion of "readable" is slightly incompatible here. In my opinion the error (yes, IMO it _is_ an error) should be fixed at least for the reason this whole thread started -- it induced major confusion for Tommy, who, upon seeing the unescaped dot, began to wonder if there was some magic going on with the fancy splitting rules. (Yes, it's funny to have discussions about things like this, but not having sloppy examples in the docs is precisely the way to prevent such discussions.) Štěpán ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: Error in (info "(gnus)Splitting Mail") 2010-12-19 14:27 ` Ted Zlatanov 2010-12-19 15:24 ` Štěpán Němec @ 2010-12-19 15:53 ` Tommy Kelly 2010-12-27 15:07 ` Ted Zlatanov 1 sibling, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Tommy Kelly @ 2010-12-19 15:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english; +Cc: ding Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> writes: > On Sat, 18 Dec 2010 16:33:47 -0600 Tommy Kelly <tommy.kelly@verilab.com> wrote: > > TK> The person who wrote the stuff, understands it in intense > TK> detail without the documentation, and therefore has little or no need > TK> of the documentation thinks the documentation is more readable as it is. > > TK> The person who is trying to learn the stuff, and must rely heavily on > TK> said documentation thinks the documentation would be more readable with a > TK> a minor fix. > > Štěpán was noting a minor issue: if mail comes from majordomoXcom (any > single character) instead of majordomo.com, it will match that splitting > rule. I don't think Štěpán suggested it would make the documentation > more readable to fix that. You're right. Štěpán explained the thing to me and then flagged it to The Documenters. *I* am suggesting that Štěpán's flagging was useful and that, contrary to Lars's view, the proposed fix is worthwhile and makes things more readable[1]. And my underlying point was that while Lars is an undoubted expert in Gnus, *I* am an expert in being a new and clueless user of it. The documentation has an intended core audience, and it ain't Lars. So Štěpán's point was one of regexp structure; mine, one of pedagogy. All that said. I'm new here and have invested a mere fraction of the hours in this project that y'all have. So don't hesitate to pat me on the head and say "Shhhh! The grown-ups are speaking." :-) Tommy [1] Or rather, it makes it more consistent and understandable -- a.k.a. better. I'm with everyone else in that adding toothpicks rarely makes for improved *read*-ability. But that -- toothpicks (and (to further make the (undoubtedly made (albeit obliquely) by now) point) parens) -- is the life we have chosen for ourselves. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: Error in (info "(gnus)Splitting Mail") 2010-12-19 15:53 ` Tommy Kelly @ 2010-12-27 15:07 ` Ted Zlatanov 0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Ted Zlatanov @ 2010-12-27 15:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english; +Cc: ding On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 09:53:14 -0600 Tommy Kelly <tommy.kelly@verilab.com> wrote: TK> All that said. I'm new here and have invested a mere fraction of the TK> hours in this project that y'all have. So don't hesitate to pat me on TK> the head and say "Shhhh! The grown-ups are speaking." :-) Nah, that would be condescending. We do passive-aggressive :) Seriously, your feedback is appreciated. You have invested a lot of time fighting features and jargon that are implied or learned for many of the Gnus regulars, so your experience helps us. If we don't respond or fix things quickly (speaking for myself) it's for lack of time, not desire to help. Ted ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
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