From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/75370 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Steven E. Harris" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Poll time: Topics should default to on or off? Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 15:53:47 -0500 Organization: SEH Labs Message-ID: References: <87tyiho54m.fsf@member.fsf.org> <8762uwdbh1.fsf@member.fsf.org> <87mxo7yrqn.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87sjxyvjn9.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87wrn6stiq.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1292964875 29197 80.91.229.12 (21 Dec 2010 20:54:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 20:54:35 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M23723@lists.math.uh.edu Tue Dec 21 21:54:31 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PV9E7-0006Y4-1L for ding-account@gmane.org; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 21:54:31 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PV9DW-0007iU-92; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 14:53:54 -0600 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PV9DU-0007iA-NY for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 14:53:52 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PV9DT-0002th-8d for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 14:53:52 -0600 Original-Received: from mail1.panix.com ([166.84.1.72]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PV9DS-0000Fu-7F for ding@gnus.org; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 21:53:50 +0100 Original-Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by mail1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A8561F08B for ; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 15:53:49 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from Spindle.local (c-24-23-122-157.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [24.23.122.157]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20BAA32E75 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 15:53:49 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: by Spindle.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 20125272ABA; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 15:53:47 -0500 (EST) Mail-Followup-To: ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: <87wrn6stiq.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> (Reiner Steib's message of "Sat, 18 Dec 2010 21:41:49 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2.50 (darwin) X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:75370 Archived-At: Reiner Steib writes: > A default layout might be ... > > [ Gnus ] > [ Mail ] > [ News ] > [ Drafts ] > [ Sent ] I thought that one of the selling points of Gnus is that it lets one manage news and email similarly. For years I've had mail groups and news groups together within topics -- organized by discussion topic, not by the technology by which I collect or access the messages on that discussion topic. When it comes to mailing lists, this is most valuable, though having Gmane around gives more flexibility in turning what would be mail back into news. I understand that drafts and sent messages could warrant their own topics, but separating mail and news sets up the user to miss out on one of Gnus's best qualities. I concede, though, that it will take a more advanced user to come to appreciate this quality, and by then that same user will have rebuilt his topic structure to match his new perspective. -- Steven E. Harris