From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/85312 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Peter Davis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Mutt/Gnus hybrid for mail? 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Alfaro-Murillo's message of "Mon, 08 Dec 2014 19:20:29 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (darwin) X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:85312 Archived-At: jorge.alfaro-murillo@yale.edu (Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo) writes: > Peter Davis writes: > >> Most significantly, since I only use mutt or gnus for email, I >> find mutt more intuitive, since its commands, etc. were designed >> for email. "Delete" instead of "Expire", etc. (BTW, I'm using >> both with Fastmail.fm IMAP.) > > If you use IMAP perhaps you should move the messages to the Trash > group instead of expiring them. I do have the expiry target set to INBOX.Trash > >> Also, when I delete/expire a message, mutt automatically >> displays the next unread message in the folder. Gnus requires >> another keystroke. (Not a big deal, but annoying.) > > You could assign a key to a function like this: > > #+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp > (defun my-gnus-summary-delete-article () > (interactive) > (gnus-summary-move-article nil "nnimap+Fastmail.fm:Trash") > (gnus-summary-next-unread-article)) > > #+END_SRC > > "nnimap+Fastmai.fml:Trash" is just a guess, you should use > whatever your group is called. > Worth a try. Does this actually display the next unread message, or just move the cursor to it? >> I have not managed to get gnus to display previously read >> messages in a thread automatically, though I've messed around >> with (setq gnus-fetch-old-headers t). I gather this is >> inconsistent on IMAP servers, and slow. > > Maybe try setting > > #+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp > (setq gnus-refer-thread-use-nnir t) > > #+END_SRC > > And then use "A T" when you need it. With 99% of the people using > a TOFU (Text Over, Fullquote Under) style, most of the time you do > not need to see the whole thread since it appears in the latest > email. > Using 'A T' works, but I don't want to do that. I want all messages in any threads with unread articles to just be there when I enter the group. >> Anyway, customatizations are unlikely to improve performance. >> Mutt seems faster at downloading messages, etc. > > I would also like to hear about ways to improve performance. Yes, I'm always glad to learn ways to make gnus faster or more usable. Thank you. -pd