From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/52281 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Harry Putnam Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Overbearing undownloaded face Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 16:46:47 -0700 Organization: Still searching... Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1052091950 23072 80.91.224.249 (4 May 2003 23:45:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 23:45:50 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ding-owner+M824@lists.math.uh.edu Mon May 05 01:45:49 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19CTAy-0005zs-00 for ; Mon, 05 May 2003 01:45:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 19CTC5-00032B-00; Sun, 04 May 2003 18:46:57 -0500 Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com ([64.157.176.121]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 19CTC0-000326-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sun, 04 May 2003 18:46:53 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 75686 invoked by alias); 4 May 2003 23:46:52 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 75681 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 23:46:52 -0000 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org (80.91.224.249) by sclp3.sclp.com with SMTP; 4 May 2003 23:46:52 -0000 Original-Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19CTAf-0005yr-00 for ; Mon, 05 May 2003 01:45:29 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Received: from news by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19CTAe-0005yg-00 for ; Mon, 05 May 2003 01:45:28 +0200 Original-Lines: 28 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.09002 (Oort Gnus v0.20) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:ei9LfA7U1dYJyXMQQFbhMVC/R8U= Precedence: bulk Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:52281 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:52281 Simon Josefsson writes: > Hm. I must be missing some kind of use people make of the face. At one time I was a heavy user of the agent. I can tell you that it can be confusing in a group that you read both on and off line. I often had to back up and download a message that I had read on line but never downloaded. Back then you couldn't tell. It just showed read. (While online) So I can see some value in somekind of indicator. that is present even when online. What I take issue with is again related to reading both on and off line on the same server. The undownloaded face server to show whether something is written to disk or not, but I think it should not over shadow other usefull marks one might want to use. So, I wonder if there is isn't some other way to indicate downloadedness. Not use a face at all. Kai says that is orthogonal thinking. Running at right angles I guess he means, or talking apples and oranges. But can't we use something in summary format line to indicate the downloadedness of an article and just drop the undownloaded faces? As Kevin pointed out that last part can be done by removing the 3 default cons cells pertaining to downloadedness at gnus-summary-highlight. That returns you to pre downloaded face behavior, which I favor. But since I see usefullness in knowing downloadedness can't we do it another way that doesn't use an all powerfull face?